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Re: Metrics on stack usage

From rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Metrics on stack usage
Date 2014-09-22 15:52 -0400
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On 9/22/2014 12:44 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 9/20/2014 11:31 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> Sure, and the GA chips are not getting the "theoretical performance
>>> you might get if all that circuitry were doing something useful 100%
>>> of the time", either, because they are also waiting for some things.
>>> That how things work.  But utilization is not really the most useful
>>> metric.  Overall performance is one people care about, or performance
>>> per watt.  Utilization is a sour grapes metric.
>>
>> I'm not even sure what that means, "sour grapes metric".
>
> When your own stuff is not competetive on the metrics that count, you
> use some other metric like utilization (which is useful for
> understanding performance or efficiency, but not for measuring it).
> "Sour grapes" are from the fable "The Fox and the Grapes"; if you
> cannot achieve performance or efficiency, ignore it and claim that you
> are king at an alternative metric; ok, the fable is not quite fitting
> for this situation (then the fox would have eaten some thistle and
> claimed that it is much better than grapes), but I think that the gist
> should be clear.
>
>> Talking about
>> "overall performance" in the context of an x86 and the GA144 has no
>> meaning.  If it did I think the GA144 would win out because of the raw
>> performance number of what, some 100,000 MIPS.
>
> "Peak performance" is another such metric.  It's not peak performance
> people care about, but application performance.
>
>> If you want an app to base this on, I conceived of an app for tuning
>> musical instruments.  It would have used most of the GA144 processors as
>> filters for a specific band (it could also be used as a fine grained
>> equalizer) and used nearly all of the MIPS available.  No, I never
>> actually built is, but I did write some of the critical code sections to
>> verify that it was practical.  I estimated it would have used over
>> 30,000 MIPS.  One of the reasons I didn't pursue it was because this was
>> a high enough number that it would not run off of a battery very
>> long.... but I think it would have outlasted an i7 by many orders of
>> magnitude.
>
> Cool.  Nice to see that someone found a way to make good use of the
> GA.  Would be even cooler if there was no such early showstopper.

Showstopper???  I guess you mean that I found early on that it wouldn't 
suit the app because of the high power drain.  In reality this was a way 
to do the job easily, but very inefficiently, a rather brute force 
approach.  Bottom line is that I have *yet* to find an app the GA144 is 
really suited for.

At one point I thought the GA144 might be a good candidate to replace 
the FPGA and CODEC on a board I currently sell.  This job can't be done 
with an MCU because there is an SPI like interface that just can't be 
done without logic in an FPGA.  MCUs just aren't fast enough.  I thought 
the GA144 should be able to handle it though.

Then I got a last time buy notification on the FPGA (normally a rare 
event) and looked at the GA144 a bit harder.  Seems it won't do this 
interface any better than it does with SDRAM.  So my customer bought 
3,000 of the FPGAs...


>>>> The point is comparing an x86 to an F18A is *very* much apples and
>>>> oranges with little value.
>>>
>>> Certainly.  But it gives a perspective to the claim that the GA cores
>>> are fast because of the simpler hardware.  BTW, the Williamette could
>>> do two dependent adds per cycle.
>>
>> I can't say I see your point.  The comparison is exactly that the GA144
>> is very simple (as well as hand optimized) and can get a lot more speed
>> than it would if it were more complex such as a conventional MCU.  To
>> get comparable speeds *much* more complexity is required as is found in
>> the very heavily pipelined processors.
>
> The point is that there are CPUs in 0.18u where the clock frequency is
> a lot higher, so saying that the GA144 runs at a very high clock
> frequency is just wrong.  The claim was also that the simplicity
> allowed this "very high frequency", while you now claim that more
> complexity allows higher clock rates.

I don't agree.  They get a high clock frequency by heavy pipelining. 
They put very few transistors between the logic registers and have a 
*lot* of logic registers.  Comparing an x86 class CPU to a GA144 in this 
sense is no more valid than saying the GA144 runs the ADC at 5 GHz and 
so it runs faster than the x86.

The significance of the GA144 is in the fact that they got the speed 
(however fast it is) by *simplicity* rather than adding complexity. 
Don't focus on the numbers, focus on the meaning of the statement.

-- 

Rick

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Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 11:22 -0400
  Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-16 11:41 -0400
    Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 13:20 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-16 13:39 -0400
        Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 15:11 -0400
          Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-16 17:24 -0400
            Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-17 17:58 -0400
  Re: Metrics on stack usage barrym95838@yahoo.com - 2014-09-16 08:47 -0700
    Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 14:41 -0400
    Re: Metrics on stack usage "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-16 18:55 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-16 14:33 -1000
        Re: Metrics on stack usage barrym95838@yahoo.com - 2014-09-16 18:30 -0700
  Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-16 15:44 +0000
    Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 13:22 -0400
  Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-16 09:18 -0700
    Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 15:39 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-16 09:41 -1000
      Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-16 16:11 -0700
        Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-17 16:34 -0400
        Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-17 17:26 -0400
          Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-19 07:21 -0400
            Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-19 10:01 -0400
              Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-19 07:42 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-19 14:46 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-19 08:09 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 03:41 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-20 15:31 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 14:53 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-22 16:44 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 15:52 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-09-30 00:08 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 04:26 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-22 10:48 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-22 12:26 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-22 17:07 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-17 07:20 +0000
        Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-17 17:03 -0400
          Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-18 11:40 +0000
            Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-19 09:56 -0400
            Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-22 10:54 -0400
              Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-22 15:13 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-22 13:58 -0400
              Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-22 11:13 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-22 21:59 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-22 16:57 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 00:59 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-22 19:53 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-23 03:48 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-23 16:01 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-23 08:07 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-09-23 22:11 +0100
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-23 16:22 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-23 11:28 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-24 11:56 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-24 13:52 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-24 17:00 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-24 17:04 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-24 16:08 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-24 12:23 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-29 19:33 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-25 10:02 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-24 16:58 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-24 16:02 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-24 19:14 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-29 10:15 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-24 13:54 -1000
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                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-24 15:25 -1000
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                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-29 13:38 +0000
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                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-30 09:13 +0000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-30 22:37 -0700
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-03 16:10 +0000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-03 08:42 -1000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-03 14:59 -0400
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-03 09:07 -1000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-03 17:28 -0400
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-04 11:15 -0700
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-10-07 23:37 +0000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-07 15:07 -1000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-10-11 23:32 +0000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-12 03:03 +0200
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-12 10:42 -0500
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-13 00:26 +0200
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-11 19:30 -1000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-08 03:42 +0200
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-08 02:46 -0500
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-09 00:43 +0200
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-10-11 23:32 +0000
                Re: Typing, was [Re: Metrics on stack usage] Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-09-28 18:45 +0000
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                Re: Metrics on stack usage Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-09-25 01:43 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 01:15 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-25 10:19 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 01:06 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 04:25 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 03:15 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 14:43 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-25 22:23 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-29 13:42 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-29 14:23 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-29 10:14 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-29 17:10 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-29 12:31 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-29 21:07 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-05 01:34 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-05 03:29 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-05 13:46 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-05 15:49 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-06 03:44 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-06 00:12 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-05 18:56 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-06 01:34 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-06 19:57 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-07 04:49 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-07 16:21 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-08 05:43 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-09 02:35 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-08 21:48 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-10 05:03 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-10 01:07 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-10 21:27 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-11 00:01 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-10 19:59 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-11 03:33 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-10 22:30 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-11 15:22 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-11 22:24 -0400
                Loading libraries (was: Metrics on stack usage) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-11 09:23 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-10 16:11 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-10 16:36 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-10 22:38 -0400
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                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-07 07:52 +0000
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                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-01 21:57 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-02 01:20 -0700
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                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-02 19:29 -0700
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  Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-16 07:43 -1000
    Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-16 15:04 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-16 09:34 -1000
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                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-19 12:41 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-19 12:14 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-20 15:41 +0000
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                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-21 12:59 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-19 12:05 +0000
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    Re: Metrics on stack usage Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-09-17 17:41 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-17 16:44 -0700
        Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-18 10:26 +0000
          Re: Metrics on stack usage Celeros <kerneels@gmail.com> - 2014-09-19 00:12 +0200
            Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 19:15 -0400
            Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-18 17:14 -0700
              Re: Metrics on stack usage stephen@mpeforth.com - 2014-09-19 02:59 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-19 12:20 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage stephen@mpeforth.com - 2014-09-20 09:04 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-29 18:08 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-30 04:33 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-01 19:30 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-30 11:24 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-09-30 10:55 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-09-30 18:39 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 01:44 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-01 03:57 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-01 18:45 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-02 07:53 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage G Smith <do.not.use@tectimco.com> - 2014-10-02 13:22 +0100
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-02 08:36 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-02 15:34 -0700
            Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-19 12:08 +0000
              Re: Metrics on stack usage "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-19 18:58 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-09-19 13:28 -1000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-09-19 19:57 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-21 13:09 +0000
              Re: Metrics on stack usage Celeros <kerneels@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 13:27 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 08:04 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-20 08:55 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 15:01 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-20 17:34 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 19:15 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-21 03:34 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 06:57 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-21 07:31 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 18:04 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-21 15:17 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 18:49 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-09-21 15:57 -0700
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 19:47 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-22 02:58 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 05:28 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-09-21 11:24 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 07:55 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-09-20 14:57 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-20 15:22 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-09-20 15:25 +0000
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 15:08 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-20 17:38 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 19:19 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-09-21 03:35 -0500
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 07:00 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Celeros <kerneels@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 08:54 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 03:26 -0400
                Re: Metrics on stack usage Celeros <kerneels@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 10:03 +0200
                Re: Metrics on stack usage rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 05:29 -0400
      Re: Metrics on stack usage stephen@mpeforth.com - 2014-09-19 02:53 -0700

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