Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards?

From	Don Y <this@is.not.me.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design, comp.arch.embedded
Subject	Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards?
Date	2014-09-18 15:53 -0700
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On 9/18/2014 3:12 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I don't *think* these have integrated video.  I tried booting
>>>> a NetBSD system and the video quickly scrambled (hard to see
>>>> the dmesg output to determine which device was probed at the
>>>> time).  I'll have to make some time to investigate...
>>>
>>> Can't you boot it with the console being another machine over the
>>> network?
>>
>> Even assuming the NIC is recognized and autoconfigured, it doesn't
>> *appear* that the system is surviving this "scrambled video"
>> event.
>>
>> E.g., dmesg appears in red for this kernel.  When the screen goes
>> wonky, I can see the red text that has been scrolling by (correctly)
>> up to this point -- amid a scrambled bunch of "white" video
>> (as if HLock was lost).  The red text stops scrolling -- as if the
>> next probed item never got added to the output.
>
> That says to me the problem might well not be the video, but that the
> video is an unintended victim of the real problem.  I believe this text
> stream can be redirected to a file, no?  Maybe that is the way to go. Do
> a postmortem on the text file.

Yes, but the text file has to be *stored* somewhere that isn't
volatile!  I.e., you need writable media in the machine!  ;)

I.e., the only way I can move forward is to build a "system"
and then let that system boot -- having a disk on which to
scribble log messages.  Of course, if the system doesn't
get to multiuser state (or, if the network IF doesn't come up),
then there is no way to troubleshoot *that*.

So, best shot for getting The Answers on the first shot is to
build a stripped down kernel -- remove any drivers that are
not essential.  *Hope* it gets through the boot sequence
(to "single-user").  Then, examine the dmesg output to see
which devices it detected but didn't "configure" (because the
corresponding drivers weren't wired in).

If you can get a console, building a "custom" NetBSD kernel
tailored for that particular device is no more than half an hour,
start to finish.

>>>> Database isn't obscene.  It doesn't see many queries but those
>>>> that it does field tend to be a bit complex (lots of joins, etc.)
>>>
>>> Just remember that these CPUs would have been top dog some 10 years ago.
>>>   So anything that would have been easy for that period hardwware should
>>> be easy for them now.  Well, maybe not.  I had a VIA CPU which was
>>> clocked around 1.something GHz and it was a dog.  I replaced it with a
>>> Celeron later and got better performance.  It had a passive heat sink,
>>> but the PSU still had a fan.
>>
>> Some of the boxes I would like to replace are far more capable
>> (e.g., one is a 2U double dual-core machine with ~12G of RAM...
>> but, it's much bigger and more capable than I need -- it just
>> happened to be something "unused" when I pressed it into service)
>
> Wow, it is only my most recent laptop that has that much ram.  I design
> FPGAs and got by on 3 GB for some time.

I've lived with far less.  My first boxes (386) had 12MB -- and the
memory alone set me back $1500/box!

I don't think any of the workstations on which I spend most of my
time have more than 3G usable.  Not sure of the laptops as I spend very
little time with them.

The blade server has 14? dual dual-core's in it each with 4G, IIRC.
But, it dims the lights when I fire it up... :<

>>>> Yes, that's what I've already been doing on the various boxes.
>>>> Lets me build custom kernels for each box's capabilities, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps next step will be to try a *Windows* install if only to
>>>> get an enumeration of the various "devices" in the box!  Then,
>>>> use that information to build an appropriate kernel.
>>>
>>> Linux can't do that?
>>
>> It, perhaps, can.  I just don't run Linux.  And, imagine it
>> wasn't *designed* with Linux in mind but, rather, "Windows"
>> (of some flavor).  So, I'd expect putting Windows on it would
>> "work" -- at least enough to allow me to inspect its hardware
>> complement.
>>
>> I'll have to see if I have a smallish 2.5" SATA drive that I
>> can "waste".  All I've found so far are > 500GB.
>
> Is NetBSD that different from Linux?  I figured it was just another flavor.

Yes.  Linux is JUST a kernel.  NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, PicoBSD,
yadayadaBSD, etc. are all OS environments.  E.g., what you would
call "distros" in the Linux camp.

The *BSD's also have a different heritage -- all outgrowths of
the 386BSD sources (1991/2) -- derived from (ultimately) the 4.3BSD
(Net/2) distribution.

The key difference between the *BSD's and the Linux camp is the
licensing terms that are applied.  I.e., you can FREELY take the
NetBSD kernel, modify it, include it in commercial products, etc.
without ever having to share -- or make available the sources from
which you started -- any of your modifications/enhancements with
others[1]  (IIRC, you have to acknowledge the copyright on the
inherited code and that's about it)

I.e., you aren't "encumbered" with the GPL's terms.  You are free
to "make the codebase yours" -- as if you had developed it entirely
"in house" (subject to the copyright notice restriction and the
indemnification of the original copyright holders, etc.)

The same is true of FreeBSD/PicoBSD, OpenBSD, etc.

[And, there is far less of a "fanboy" attitude surrounding it/them
and its/their development]

> I don't think the computers are designed for any OS.  The OS is modified
> for the newest processors and chips.  Motherboards are just designed for
> target markets.

Yes, but if a market embraces Windows, then the product effectively
was "designed for Windows".

[1] The same can not be said of the NetBSD "OS" -- as it includes
many applications that are covered under less permissive licensing
terms (e.g., much FSF code).

Thread

Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-17 00:46 -0700
  Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-17 04:05 -0400
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt) - 2014-09-17 11:09 -0700
    Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-17 22:52 -0500
  Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? mroberds@att.net - 2014-09-17 08:21 +0000
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-17 02:00 -0700
      Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-17 13:08 +0200
        Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? JW <none@dev.null> - 2014-09-17 08:24 -0400
      Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? mroberds@att.net - 2014-09-17 21:44 +0000
        Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt) - 2014-09-17 15:04 -0700
        Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 00:28 -0700
          Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 03:41 -0400
            Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 03:31 -0700
              Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 18:12 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 15:53 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 19:22 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 17:18 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-09-18 21:16 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 21:44 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-19 09:19 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 01:36 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-19 11:53 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 03:10 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-19 13:02 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 04:26 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-19 13:50 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 10:16 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-20 16:42 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 12:19 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-20 21:58 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 13:33 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-20 23:00 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:14 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-21 02:12 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 20:05 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-21 12:45 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 16:34 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 13:41 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 17:29 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-21 00:12 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 19:01 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:17 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-21 02:17 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:27 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-21 13:25 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-21 15:56 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-21 18:19 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 14:22 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-21 23:13 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 14:20 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-21 23:15 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 20:20 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:09 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:05 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 23:25 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 03:28 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 01:27 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-21 14:20 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-21 13:09 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 12:06 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 09:55 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-20 23:54 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 15:46 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 19:09 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:29 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:11 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 20:40 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 00:56 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 23:40 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 03:35 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 01:47 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 07:33 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 11:56 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 20:32 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2014-09-22 11:03 +1000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 18:18 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2014-09-22 11:53 +1000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 19:05 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 19:05 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-21 11:50 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2014-09-21 18:50 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 20:09 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2014-09-21 21:25 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 22:12 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 09:38 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 10:15 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 04:59 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-22 15:38 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 10:02 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 01:44 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 05:25 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 12:44 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 04:33 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 13:00 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 05:02 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 15:19 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 14:35 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 07:55 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 17:35 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 10:06 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-22 10:25 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2014-09-22 19:48 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 20:46 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-08 12:34 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-08 13:10 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-08 17:31 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-08 14:53 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-08 15:06 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2014-10-09 19:09 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-09 13:44 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-09 22:31 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-09 17:29 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-09 17:31 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-09 21:25 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-09 23:27 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-09 21:56 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2014-10-10 18:48 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-10 10:43 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2014-10-11 21:25 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-10-10 18:27 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-10-11 03:05 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 18:43 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 23:36 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 16:48 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 01:05 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 18:47 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 02:11 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 22:24 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 00:29 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-23 10:07 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-23 07:14 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 23:43 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-23 13:14 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 18:18 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 19:28 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-23 19:58 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 16:52 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-23 19:57 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-08 12:39 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 18:38 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 23:41 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 23:27 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 05:34 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 02:21 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-24 09:42 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 09:51 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 18:23 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 16:53 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-24 08:15 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-24 10:52 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-24 21:51 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-24 15:57 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 09:52 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 18:19 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 15:33 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 18:38 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 15:59 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 19:03 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-24 00:15 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 19:30 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 16:56 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-24 02:09 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 17:26 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 21:20 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 23:42 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-08 12:41 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 17:03 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-22 10:19 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 15:21 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 12:55 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-09-22 12:25 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 05:37 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 14:37 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 14:32 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 07:01 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 15:22 +0100
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 08:01 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 00:35 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Stef <stef33d@yahooI-N-V-A-L-I-D.com.invalid> - 2014-09-23 09:09 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-23 07:16 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2014-09-23 14:45 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 10:08 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 10:03 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-23 13:52 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 20:53 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 15:00 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 22:14 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 15:51 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 10:17 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-23 13:57 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 18:28 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 04:39 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? langwadt@fonz.dk - 2014-09-20 16:33 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:17 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? langwadt@fonz.dk - 2014-09-21 12:24 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 00:00 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-09-19 23:15 +0000
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-19 07:58 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 10:41 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-19 07:59 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-19 03:08 -0400
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 01:17 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-09-19 21:15 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-20 14:36 -0500
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2014-09-19 10:02 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-19 04:20 -0400
          Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2014-09-18 16:20 +0200
            Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 10:25 -0700
              Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2014-09-19 09:36 +0200
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 01:27 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-09-19 21:35 -0700
                Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 11:54 -0700
          Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? mroberds@att.net - 2014-09-18 19:33 +0000
            Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 13:18 -0700
          Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Przemek Klosowski <przemek@tux.dot.org> - 2014-09-21 12:34 +0000
            Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-21 11:54 -0400
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? edward.ming.lee@gmail.com - 2014-09-17 08:10 -0700
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-17 15:11 +0000
    Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-17 22:53 -0500
  Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-17 13:33 -0700
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-18 03:35 -0500
  Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Allan Herriman <allanherriman@hotmail.com> - 2014-09-18 13:16 +0000
  Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-09-25 13:51 +0300
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt) - 2014-09-25 09:58 -0700
      Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-09-29 21:46 +0300
    Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-25 10:07 -0700
      Re: Intel Atom:  pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 18:32 -0400
  Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2014-10-10 09:53 +0000

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