Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date	2014-08-15 21:22 +0000
Organization	My Linux Box
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Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

> > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> writes:
> >
> >> > 2014-08-15, Dan Espen wrote:
> >> >> Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>> 2014-08-15, Anssi Saari wrote:
> >> >>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't like complexity but I won't rant about it unless I
> >> >>>>> can do better.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hey, you just ranted about it. BTW, it's free software (still, at
> >> >>> least) and opinions must be freely shared as well.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Yeah. I have to say also that my laptop running the Gentoo-based
> >> >>>> Sabayon distro boots wicked fast with systemd.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You know, lot of users don't give a flying **** about boot speed.
> >> >>> That's just a gimmick to win over the young and the 1337 of
> >> >>> GNU/Linux users.
> >> >>
> >> >> systemd is not all about boot speed.
> >> >
> >> > True. It's also about not adhering to *nix philosophy,
> >> > "modernizing" Linux [sic], bloating/overcomplicating init process,
> >> > taking steps towards One Linux [sic], getting rid of plain text
> >> > logging, solving "problems" 99.9% of users will never encounter and
> >> > so on, ad nauseam.
> >
> >> Show how you would do the equivalent of
> >
> >> journalctl -p 2
> >
> >> with syslog.
> >
> > And just what does that command do (for the benefit of those of us who
> > have no interest what-so-ever in using systemd).

> Sorry, simple matter of reading the man page.
> Priority 2 is errors and worse.

> Try searching syslog for errors.
> Not so easy since there's no discipline put into the message
> format.  Journalctl breaks out the fields so priority is
> an identifiable entity.

Yes, but "reading the man page" is only possible if I have systemd
installed somewhere.  Given that I "have no interest what-so-ever in
using systemd" (see above) that means I do not have systemd installed. 
Therefore I do not have the man pages installed.

Yes, I could google for them, but that feels like going to too much
effort for something that I "have no interest what-so-ever in using".

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OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-13 00:35 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-13 15:31 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2014-08-14 16:55 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-08-14 15:38 -0300
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-08-19 14:30 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-19 15:38 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-14 20:30 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-14 16:42 -0400
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-08-14 21:57 +0100
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-08-15 10:11 +0300
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 12:26 +0000
        Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 10:06 -0400
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 14:48 +0000
            Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 11:49 -0400
              Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 17:47 +0000
              Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 18:54 +0000
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 16:05 -0400
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:22 +0000
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:26 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 15:51 +0000
        Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-08-20 19:40 +0300
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-20 22:07 +0000
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World "D.D." <xyzzy@inbox.com> - 2014-08-21 02:40 -0700
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2014-08-15 13:25 +0100
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 20:11 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:32 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2014-08-16 14:25 +0300

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