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Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

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Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

> Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. I have to say also that my laptop running the Gentoo-based
>> Sabayon distro boots wicked fast with systemd. Granted, that's only
>> after I built a custom kernel and threw out the bloated initrd they
>> use by default but still.

> Which is fine, except that you should only need to boot when doing a
> kernel upgrade.  Anytime in between you should be sleeping/hibernating,
> in which case "time to boot" is not an issue.

In a better world, yes. And that has worked perfectly on my file server
and fairly well on my desktop. I can even hibernate the desktop in Linux
and instead of shutting down boot Windows instead and when I'm done with
that, Linux resumes. Mostly, sometimes the resume hangs but it's been
getting rarer. I guess Nvidia is improving their drivers.

Unfortunately with my laptop I have to frequently boot because:

- It didn't go to sleep or hibernation even though it's configured to do
  that after some idle time and ran out of battery.

  I may have identified the culprit, namely x2go client. At least I
  managed multiple timed sleeps yesterday without it running. I guess
  I'll have to go back to VNC for remote access. x2go has definitely
  been weird and buggy but on the other hand it doesn't have the
  annoying limitations of VNC which prompted me to search for
  alternatives.

- Or I tried to go to hibernation but that's unreliable and crashes
  maybe once out of three attempts. It's partly my fault for using a
  newish 3.14.9 kernel with TuxOnIce which may not be quite debugged
  yet. But the vanilla hibernation is ridiculously slow waking up and
  the 3.14 supposedly has RC6 support for Ironlake and that does seem to
  make a difference with battery life.

  This may have gotten fixed with the 3.14.15 TuxOnIce kernel I
  installed yesterday. At least no hibernation hangs with a handful of
  hibernations.

- The internal 3G modem has a bad day and and crashes. Although come to
  think of it, it should be resettable by forcing a FW reload with
  gobi_loader.

Of course, patching and building kernels and hoping for a fix on these
issues is a big reason for the reboots too.

> systemd's claim to fame of wiked fast boot times is optimizing for a
> windows problem (the need to reboot to make any change to much of
> anything).

True. So I boot my Windows machines about once a month at work after
"Patch Tuesday" or whatever. It's pretty rare these days that an app or
driver install on Windows needs a reboot. For the record I don't *like*
Windows, it's like an annoying relative who always gets under your skin
somehow without having obvious faults... But in my life, Windows (2000,
XP, 7) haven't had obvious faults other than being ugly, annoying to use
and slow.

> If you almost never reboot, then speed of boot is less important. 
> Instead they should be focusing on making sleep/hibernate reliable
> enough to never need to reboot.

Oh I agree. But I don't think "they" will be coming to help me with my
specific already oldish laptop and I don't have that much time to work
on it. Specifically with Linux, Tux on Ice is really a big improvement
especially with hibernation but it doesn't look like it'll make it into
mainline like ever and it has only one dev.

I'm currently hoping I can actually get NetworkManager to manage my 3G
but I'm not overly hopeful. My bug report was just put in "unconfirmed"
state and I doubt it's ever going to get fixed or even looked at as the
devs don't have my setup to test with. Besides, the problem seems to be
an interaction between NetworkManager, dhcpcd and the modem driver but I
don't even know how to debug it and I expect at most finger pointing
between the various devs... Or nothing at all.

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OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-13 00:35 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-13 15:31 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2014-08-14 16:55 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-08-14 15:38 -0300
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-08-19 14:30 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-19 15:38 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-14 20:30 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-14 16:42 -0400
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-08-14 21:57 +0100
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-08-15 10:11 +0300
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 12:26 +0000
        Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 10:06 -0400
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 14:48 +0000
            Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 11:49 -0400
              Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 17:47 +0000
              Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 18:54 +0000
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 16:05 -0400
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:22 +0000
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:26 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 15:51 +0000
        Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-08-20 19:40 +0300
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-20 22:07 +0000
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    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2014-08-15 13:25 +0100
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 20:11 +0000
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