Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date	2014-08-15 21:32 +0000
Organization	My Linux Box
Message-ID	<lslu98$2rg$3@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> wrote:
> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> > Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
> > 
> >> http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html
> >>
> >>   "What is intelligence? Not exactly the spook kind, but rather what is
> >>    the definition of intelligence in humans? This is pretty good:
> >>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions"
> >>
> >>   "By most accounts, the self-appointed and arguably too influential
> >>    creators and thinkers of the day around the 'One Linux' idea fit the
> >>    definition of intelligent people - at least in the technical realm."
> > 
> > It's rant.
> > 
> > The guy complains about the complexity of systemd but does
> > not propose a simpler solution to the problems systemd solves.
> > He also does not make a case that the problems systemd solves
> > should not be solved.
> > 
> > The old init scripts had to be executed serially at start up
> > and shutdown but did nothing for those scripts monitoring themselves
> > at run time.  That was up to each service.
> > 
> > I don't like complexity but I won't rant about it unless I
> > can do better.

> IMO that isn't the problem with systemd. The problem is all of the
> additional functions it's accumulating, like crond, dbus, etc and its
> intertwining with gnome and the desktop.

Yes, that is exactly the issue.  It is becoming a 40+ headed hydra with
each head eating a component it has zero business touching (beyond
simple "is it running? no? - start it then." or "is it running? yes -
well, stop it now".

And intertwining the thing such that user level programs require
systemd to function just add's further heads to the hydra that should
not be there.

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OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-13 00:35 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-13 15:31 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2014-08-14 16:55 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-08-14 15:38 -0300
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-08-19 14:30 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-19 15:38 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-14 20:30 +0000
  Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-14 16:42 -0400
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-08-14 21:57 +0100
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-08-15 10:11 +0300
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 12:26 +0000
        Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 10:06 -0400
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 14:48 +0000
            Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 11:49 -0400
              Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-08-15 17:47 +0000
              Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 18:54 +0000
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-08-15 16:05 -0400
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:22 +0000
                Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:26 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 15:51 +0000
        Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-08-20 19:40 +0300
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-20 22:07 +0000
          Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World "D.D." <xyzzy@inbox.com> - 2014-08-21 02:40 -0700
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2014-08-15 13:25 +0100
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 20:11 +0000
      Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 21:32 +0000
    Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2014-08-16 14:25 +0300

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