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Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly

From thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly
Date 2014-07-08 09:59 +0000
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:23:35 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> But today the internet is almost useless with JavaScript disabled so
> practically nobody disables JavaScript.

You should use NoScript and whitelist just the sites you need.

Though, it seems that web advertisers don't like that and are pushing 
site operators to use site designs that make whitelisting a colossal pain.

For example, I went to an article at Huffington Post recently. Images 
didn't load -- typically a symptom of some web author either being so 
stupid as to not know that you can do that without needing JS by using 
the <img> tag, or else being so corrupt that he'll sell out his 
professionalism by being paid to gratuitously break functionality so that 
users will turn on JS so that they can be tracked by the advertisers.

So, I turn on JS for "huffingtonpost.com". Still nothing, but now 
NoScript shows dozens more domains pushing JS at me. I find, and enable, 
"huffpo.com". Why the heck does the site need two versions of its own 
domain name, and scripts loaded from both? It reminds me of another 
annoying recent trend, that of excessive overuse of URL shorteners, and 
site-specific shorteners, such as "goo.gl" (because the additional FOUR 
WHOLE CHARACTERS(!!) in "google.com" are SUCH a burden to type, if for 
some silly reason you're not just using the little Google box built into 
your FUCKING BROWSER...)

Many other images now load, including thumbs next to all the "other stuff 
you might want to read" timesuck-links down the right hand side of the 
page, but the images in the article itself are still not loading. Right 
click "Inspect Element (Q)" reveals they're loading from some third party 
image host and not Huffington Post, and I enable JS from instagram.com.

AND STILL NOTHING!

The final and utter offense is after another Q at a spot where there 
seems to be supposed to be an image, and expanding some of the iframe 
loading from Instagram. Seems that I also need to enable 
"dfx8247834920mdds8.cloudfront.com" or some similar domain.


Indeed, enabling JS from that domain as well makes the images show up. 
And then I quickly "revoke temporary permissions", because THERE IS NO 
FUCKING WAY I am leaving a domain name like that last one able to serve 
JS to me. That is EXACTLY the sort of domain name -- an opaque 
alphanumeric token and then .com or somegiantwebhost.com -- that malware 
pushers serve their blackhole exploit kits and other dangerous wares 
from. You see domains like that in the disassembly of worm code all the 
fucking time, where they made up hundreds of garbage names unlikely to 
collide with anything existing, then rented them from some cheap-ass host 
and put their botnet C&C servers there with the worms programmed to try 
them all in turn to try to phone home, so that the whitehats get to spend 
ages playing whackamole if they don't manage to deobfuscate a malware 
sample to discover them all at once.

So, the arms race so far has been like this:

Advertisers make their ads annoyingly intrusive, covering up content and 
needing to be "dismissed" and tracking people in breach of user privacy.

Malware writers start exploiting browsers with not just mildly annoying 
pranks but seriously destructive shit like Cryptolocker.

-> Users start turning JS off.

Advertisers, deprived of being able to spy on people or serve ads more 
intrusive than 468x60 animated .gifs inserted with ordinary img tags, 
demand that website operators force users to turn on JS or they'll pull 
their ads and take their money elsewhere.

Website operators cave and soon you can't go anywhere without "This 
website requires JS" redirects, navigation links that are "a href=# 
onClick=document.load(addy)" instead of "a href=addy", images that don't 
embed without JS, and all sorts of other noisome tactics to make their 
sites annoying-to-unusable without JS even if the user-desirable 
functionality on the site (text with inline images!) does not technically 
require any client-side scripting. Because the *advertiser*-desirable 
functionality does. My personal favorite? "You must enable Javascript. 
DDoS protection from CloudFlare." Say what? I don't care if you've been 
DDoSed lately, I'm not opening my fucking computer up to fucking 
Cryptolocker coming from that 1x1 iframe someone who hacked your site 
snuck in there just to let you fucking avoid a few minutes of non-data-
destroying downtime from some joker turning a Gbps packet hose on you. 
Especially not when you're such a nobody of a website you'll never be 
targeted with any industrial-strength DoS attack anyway because you can't 
possibly have made those sorts of enemies (Anonymous, RIAA, etc.)

-> Users use NoScript to whitelist just the website they're actually 
visiting. The stupid advertisers' hosts, and the g7238d590d.cheaphost.net 
serving a Cryptolocker-dropping Zeus instance from that 1x1 iframe, stay 
blocked.

So the advertisers now force website operators to make their sites break 
unless lots of third-party sites are also whitelisted, even ones with 
names very similar to the domain names blackhats serve Cryptolocker from, 
for the sole purpose of getting as many end users as possible to throw up 
their hands and turn on JS "properly".

What's a security-minded user to do? Spend $400 they don't have on A 
WHOLE EXTRA COMPUTER just for surfing from, and jump through a wide 
assortment of nuisance hoops to copy and paste things back and forth 
between it and their main computer? That what the goddamn advertisers 
want?

I know what *I* want.

For the goddamn advertisers to go fuck themselves. 

For some sort of distributed peer-to-peer webhosting thingy to take off 
that will naturally make anything hosted on it a) scale automatically the 
more popular it gets, b) cost nothing to host, c) be naturally immune to 
DDoS, and d) not therefore have any need of advertising to pay hosting 
costs ... so any scripts on it will be only what's necessary for actual 
user-desired functionality. And whitelisting will not be such a pain 
anymore again, since nobody will be specifically motivated to MAKE it a 
pain.

For something like that.

End of rant.

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How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-02 10:41 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 14:01 -0400
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-02 21:14 -0400
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 23:00 -0400
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:01 -0700
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-03 08:54 -0500
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:20 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-03 10:27 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:30 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 18:22 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:19 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-11 17:34 -0500
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:21 +0000
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:23 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 09:59 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:28 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 12:37 +0200
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-09 19:33 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 20:01 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-10 20:24 +0200
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:30 -0400
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:12 -0400
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:24 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-03 06:37 +0800
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:07 -0700
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:13 -0700
        News Reader (was: Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-04 08:02 +0200
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-03 21:07 +0200
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-04 02:55 -0700
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:26 -0400
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 19:43 -0500
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 20:58 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 22:29 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 23:01 -0400
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:00 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 23:13 -0500
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:07 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:11 +0100
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2014-07-14 18:36 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-14 19:32 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:09 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:03 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-08-19 22:18 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:43 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-20 06:50 +0800
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 19:01 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 13:47 +0000
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:08 -0400
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 00:36 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 21:03 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 01:24 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:12 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:23 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:31 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-21 06:17 +0800
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 22:46 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 23:23 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-15 10:49 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 13:13 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:21 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:27 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:32 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:17 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:04 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 07:30 +0800
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 03:15 -0700
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:49 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:55 -0400
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-14 06:48 -0700
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:16 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-08-15 06:29 -0700
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 15:54 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:20 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:22 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 10:28 +0200
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-07 17:29 +0800
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 11:54 +0200
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 10:01 +0000
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 12:21 +0200
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 11:02 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 13:13 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:27 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 14:28 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:36 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-08 08:58 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:21 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 13:11 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-09 11:48 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 14:10 +0200
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 15:57 +0000
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 16:32 +0000
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 17:32 +0000
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:41 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:50 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:44 -0400
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:34 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:33 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:40 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:45 -0400
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:46 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:54 +0000
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