Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks

From	TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks
Date	2014-02-09 10:53 +0000
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shvelven wrote:

> Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> 
>> On 2/8/2014 3:03 PM, RS Wood wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that makes good sense.  I 
think it's also perfectly
>>> reasonable for there to be a dual 
approach, where there's a website
>>> out there (I actually dislike the 
name altslashdot because it smells
>>> like it will lead us into legal 
trouble) with moderation and all that
>>> stuff, and in parallel, an engaged 
community of us old farts who
>>> love(d) Usenet.
>>> 
>>> I started a new hierarchy - 
dictator.* - and have gone through the
>>> trouble of getting NSPs to carry it, 
etc., and it's very hard.  So
>>> the idea of starting a new group 
means either lots of work and time,
>>> or convincing the Big-8 committee 
that manages the alt hierarchy to
>>> provide
>>> a new group.  That's time, also, and 
probably some voting.
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, comp.misc is just sitting 
here, unused.  I say we move in.
>>> Or should we go for 
alt.comp.slashrefugees.  Maybe it's not
>>> impossible?
>> 
>> The altslashdot web site is just an 
idea for an idea at this point.  I
>> wish them luck, but even if they get 
it off the ground and attract a
>> significant share of ex-Slashdotters 
the site will still be vulnerable
>> to the traps that have ruined, or are 
runing Slashdot itself.  There
>> will be somebody in charge, there will 
be ads, there will be
>> administrators with greater privileges 
than the normal peons, etc.
>> We're here now and this place works, 
so let's stick to it for the time
>> being, at least that's my plan.
>> 
>> On 2014-02-08 20:16:01 +0000, 2phar 
said:
>>> Hanging out here makes sense 
alright..
>>> 
>>> Also occurs to me that slashdot 
covers a lot of non-comp stuff and
>>> some of that is already better 
covered in other usenet groups.
>>> There's really too many flamebait 
stories put on slashdot a lot of
>>> the time.
>> 
>> This is an excellent point.  I think 
that if we can get people to come
>> (back?) to Usenet they will discover 
the large variety of groups that
>> are still active.  rec.food.cooking is 
extremely successful, probably
>> the best cooking forum on the whole 
internet despite the many
>> for-profit forums addressing this 
topic.  rec.heraldry is fascinating
>> and as far as I know, the only really 
active discussion group on this
>> topic around.  There are plenty of 
defunct groups of course, but
>> Usenet is still a very vibrant 
community.
>> 
>> My hope is that if we can work 
together and convince not just Slashers
>> but others to come into Usenet we can 
help this place flourish again.
>> Frankly I much prefer it to Reddit and 
those kinds of web sites.
> 
> Have you guys seen what they're doing 
over at altslash? They don't even
> have slashcode up and running yet and 
they're already deviating farther
> from slashdot than the beta does!
> 
> Seriously, check out
> 
"http://www.altslashdot.org/wiki/index.php?title=FeatureList" 
and see
> what they want to do to the modding 
system. Don't forget to read the
> talk page.
> 
> I think at this point we should just 
resign ourselves to the fact that
> slashdot will be no more if dice goes 
through with the beta.
> 
Good grief...I barely got through that 
verbose drivel thanks to rapid onset 
acute nausea.

 The main thing I took from his thinking 
is that he and his buddies would rule 
over everyone else with as iron a fist as 
he could summon up.

 There was no thought given, absolutely 
none, to community selection of 
moderators/admins and/or community 
ability to remove same...in fact the 
community seem more like a herd of sheep 
than anything else.

 The idea of channels being private 
fiefdoms for those who are the elite 
rankles with me too...he even plans to 
deny use of individual channels unless 
the channel mod subscribes a user to that 
channel.

 His thinking is all about control of the 
community and not empowerment of same.

Thread

Slashdot Beta Sucks John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-07 10:45 +0000
  Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-07 11:45 -0500
    Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-07 18:01 +0000
      Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-07 19:35 +0000
        Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 15:02 -0800
          Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-07 18:18 -0500
            Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 00:12 +0000
              Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 16:36 -0800
                Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2014-02-18 22:56 +0100
            Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 16:33 -0800
            Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-09 03:23 +0000
  Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks CoolHand <coolhnd28@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 21:29 -0500
    Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-08 02:48 +0000
      Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks CoolHand <coolhnd28@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 21:54 -0500
        Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-08 04:09 +0000
        Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 22:39 -0800
      Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-08 12:09 +0000
        Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks brendan.halpin@ul.ie (Brendan Halpin) - 2014-02-19 23:24 +0000
  Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-07 23:15 -0500
    Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 22:41 -0800
      Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 20:03 +0000
        Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-08 15:16 -0500
          Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-08 15:31 -0800
            Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks shvelven <shvelven@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 02:30 -0500
              Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-09 10:53 +0000
              Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks TrueSatan <true_satan@fastmail.co.uk> - 2014-02-09 10:54 +0000
                Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-09 15:35 +0000
            Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Vince Mulhollon <vincemulhollon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:32 -0800
              Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-12 00:06 +0000
              Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks vehka <heikki.wilenius@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 17:55 -0800
                Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-12 08:47 +0847
                Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:34 -0500
            Re: Slashdot Beta Sucks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-25 23:43 -0500
  Re: Slashdot Beta -> Technical reasons? "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-11 09:05 +0000
    Re: Slashdot Beta -> Technical reasons? John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-11 12:11 +0000
      Re: Slashdot Beta -> Technical reasons? "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-11 13:26 +0000
      Re: Slashdot Beta -> Technical reasons? Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-12 03:38 +0000
    Re: Slashdot Beta -> Technical reasons? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:58 -0500

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