Re: Editor recommendation

From	Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de>
Newsgroups	comp.arch.embedded
Subject	Re: Editor recommendation
Date	2013-09-01 20:21 +0200
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Don Y wrote:
> On 8/31/2013 3:05 AM, Stefan Reuther wrote:
>> Don Y wrote:
>>> On a *printed* (phototypeset) document, these things are really
>>> easy to resolve.  On a *display*, they are much harder!
>>>
>>> E.g., I'm currently preparing a document on cubic Bezier curves.
>>> I use a 10 pt serif typeface for body text.  This means footnote
>>> text is 8 pt.  Footnote *references* (i.e., in the body text)
>>> are superscripts -- so, about 5-6 pt on the 10 pt text.  Within
>>> footnote text, subscripts are about 4-5 pt!
>>
>> Why on earth do you need to display all that in the final layout during
>> document preparation?
> 
> Because document preparation involves sorting out its visual
> presentation!  If you don't care what the document looks like,
> "compose" it in HTML and you'll never need to *know* how it will
> appear on some particular browser!

Sure I check how it looks like. But not at the same time I type it. Thus
I can check whether each Bézier has its accent during editing, in a nice
large screen font size. I trust my typesetting system to preserve the é
even when the font size is reduced for a footnote.

> If your documents are *just* text, its a no-brainer:  let the text
> break wherever it is convenient for the typesetter.
> 
> But, when you add lots of tables, illustrations, equations, etc.
> the process requires a lot more "eyes on" control.

Sure. But I don't need to see all the subscripts and accents in the
formula at the same time as the headlines. To see the subscripts, I can
zoom in. To see the headlines, I can zoom out. Then I see an
indecipherable blob that looks like a formula. Fine, there's the
formula, here's the text that flows around it, done.

>>> "Cubic" in (1) is in italics as are "G1 Continuity" and "C1 Continuity".
>>
>> Semantic markup For The Win! You want to mark newly introduced terms?
>>    \newcommand{\term}[1]{\emph{#1}}
>>    ...
>>    Thus, \term{C1 Continuity} implies \term{G1 Continuity}. However, the
>>    reverse is not true.
> 
> Again, it's not a question of markup language.  Rather, can you
> discern that "C1 Continuity" is in the correct typeface *and* italic
> while it is presented at that small *subscript* to the "footnote" text
> size?

Again, I trust my typesetting system that if I set something in italic,
it will also be in italic when moved to a footnote.

I know people plan their university thesis with a work item
   2 days: check that all headings have the same font, all
   cross-references point to the right pages, etc.
just before giving it to the printer. OK, this may be needed if all you
have is Wordpad which has no stylesheets (or all you have is Word and
you have never heard of stylesheets). I am not one of them.

>>> "Special Cases" in (4) is bold.
>>
>> It's probably a reference somewhere? Let's make it a link.
>>    For examples of these degenerate cases, see \ref{Special Cases}.
> 
> Again, consider what a bold typeface looks like when rendered
> that small.  You don't suddenly get more pels to work with for
> that glyph!

Again, why would I need that? I trust my system to set a boldface
"Special Cases" if I tell it to. In a preview with standard screen
resolution, letters may become a little sludged, but looks like "Special
Cases" even from afar, and if I really want to know, I can zoom in.

>>> Recall, footnote text is 8 point.  With a 150dpi display, this
>>> corresponds to ~16 pels tall -- including interline leading!
>>
>> When working with the text, it's all the same size for me. Fixedsys
>> Excelsior, 16 px (I believe).
> 
> Because you don't produce photoready publications!
> 
> Do you write everything in (la)TeX and then hand it to the printer
> and say, "run off 10,000 copies"?  Or, do you run it through the
> TeX executable and *preview* the result?
[...]
> And, how are you manipulating all of those illustrations, tables,
> equations?  Just *hoping* they fall into convenient spots?

Sure I preview. My point being: you don't have to see all details at
once. When adjusting illustrations, I don't care about the precise
content of the illustration; I care that there is an illustration, but
don't need to see every pixel of it.

  Stefan

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Editor recommendation Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2013-08-28 16:18 -0400
  Re: Editor recommendation David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-08-28 22:46 +0200
    Re: Editor recommendation chris <meru@devnull.com> - 2013-08-28 22:10 +0000
      Re: Editor recommendation dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-08-29 09:23 -0700
        Re: Editor recommendation Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-08-29 17:15 +0000
          Re: Editor recommendation dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-08-29 10:38 -0700
            Re: Editor recommendation Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-08-29 17:49 +0000
              Re: Editor recommendation dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-08-29 12:19 -0700
          Re: Editor recommendation Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-29 12:16 -0700
        Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-29 11:32 -0700
          Re: Editor recommendation Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-08-29 12:15 -0700
          Re: Editor recommendation dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-08-29 14:04 -0700
            Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-29 14:25 -0700
              Re: Editor recommendation Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-08-29 17:05 -0500
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-29 16:32 -0700
              Re: Editor recommendation dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-08-29 15:44 -0700
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-29 18:02 -0700
                Re: Editor recommendation Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2013-08-30 13:22 +0200
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-30 15:00 -0700
                Re: Editor recommendation Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2013-08-31 02:17 +0200
                Re: Editor recommendation Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 11:36 +0200
          Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-30 20:30 -0400
            Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-31 00:50 -0700
              Re: Editor recommendation Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 11:54 +0200
                Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-31 10:17 -0400
                Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-31 10:20 -0400
        Re: Editor recommendation chris <meru@devnull.com> - 2013-08-30 13:29 +0000
          Re: Editor recommendation dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-08-30 15:04 -0700
    Re: Editor recommendation George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2013-08-30 13:05 -0400
      Re: Editor recommendation chris <meru@devnull.com> - 2013-08-30 22:55 +0000
  Re: Editor recommendation Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-08-28 21:22 -0500
    Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-28 19:54 -0700
      Re: Editor recommendation Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-08-28 22:28 -0500
        Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-28 22:38 -0700
    Re: Editor recommendation George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2013-08-30 12:42 -0400
      Re: Editor recommendation Paul Urbanus <urb@urbonix.com> - 2013-09-02 21:20 -0500
        Re: Editor recommendation Paul Urbanus <urb@urbonix.com> - 2013-09-04 01:20 -0500
        Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-04 07:22 -0400
  Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-28 19:52 -0700
  Re: Editor recommendation bbhack <bbhack@gmail.com> - 2013-08-28 22:41 -0500
    Re: Editor recommendation chris <meru@devnull.com> - 2013-08-29 12:19 +0000
      Re: Editor recommendation bbhack <bbhack@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 11:54 -0500
        Re: Editor recommendation chris <meru@devnull.com> - 2013-09-03 15:32 +0000
  Re: Editor recommendation Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2013-08-29 09:19 +0300
  Re: Editor recommendation Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2013-08-29 10:01 -0400
    Re: Editor recommendation Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2013-08-29 18:45 +0300
    Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-29 12:04 -0700
      Re: Editor recommendation Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-08-29 16:31 -0500
        Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-29 15:00 -0700
        Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-30 20:50 -0400
      Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-30 20:37 -0400
        Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-30 21:15 -0700
          Re: Editor recommendation Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 12:05 +0200
            Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-31 11:26 -0700
              Re: Editor recommendation Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2013-09-01 20:21 +0200
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-01 17:02 -0700
                Re: Editor recommendation Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2013-09-02 19:55 +0200
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-02 16:22 -0700
                Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-02 19:39 -0400
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-02 17:51 -0700
                Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-02 18:49 -0700
          Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-31 15:13 -0400
            Re: Editor recommendation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-08-31 13:45 -0700
  Re: Editor recommendation Habib Bouaziz-Viallet <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2013-08-29 16:31 +0200
    Re: Editor recommendation bbhack <bbhack@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 12:03 -0500
      Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-08-31 13:27 -0400
        Re: Editor recommendation bbhack <bbhack@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 13:17 -0500
      Re: Editor recommendation Habib Bouaziz-Viallet <h.bouazizviallet@free.fr> - 2013-09-01 19:16 +0200
        Re: Editor recommendation Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-01 19:52 -0400
          Re: Editor recommendation chris <meru@devnull.com> - 2013-09-03 14:41 +0000
  Re: Editor recommendation jhallen@TheWorld.com (Joseph H Allen) - 2013-08-29 20:09 +0000
  Re: Editor recommendation stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-09-04 12:10 +0000

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