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Re: Macro Expansion

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supercat@casperkitty.com writes:

> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:49:16 AM UTC-6, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> The key word here is not "consistent" but "implementations".
>> What the committee paid attention to was not what behaviors
>> /implementations/ chose but what behaviors /code/ made use of.
>> That is a significant difference.
>
> The authors of the Standard cannot influence existing code, since by
> definition it has already been created.  They only way they can affect
> whether existing code will be usable on new implementations is by
> influencing the new implementations.  I will grant that if a new
> implementation were to change a behavior upon which code relied, but
> happened to do so in a fashion that still met the code's requirements,
> such a change should not be regarded as damaging the old code even if
> the behavior was inconsistent with the old implementation.
>
> A more important point of contention is whether the Standard should
> recognize the existence of the substantial corpus of code that relies
> upon features or guarantees which can be practically supported on
> nearly all newer platforms but not on older ones.  In 1980s, hardware
> designs were becoming more and more consistent;  many people could thus
> reasonably have expected that the only implementations where certain
> guarantees would ever impose a major cost would be those for obsolescent
> hardware platforms.  Consequently, use of such guarantees was expected
> to limit compatibility with older platforms, but not expected to affect
> compatibility with newer ones.
>
> What I don't think the authors of the Standard anticipated is that the
> guarantees which 1980s-1990s hardware and compilers could and did support
> at near-zero cost would become more expensive.  If there would never be
> any reason that compilers for new platforms wouldn't support some guarantee,
> a recommendation that they do so would have been a waste of ink.  If
> code which relies upon what used to be commonplace guarantees is regarded
> as having value, the Standard should recognize its existence.  If default
> support would be expensive, the Standard could introduce ways by which
> code could demand the guarantee in places where it is needed, and deprecate
> the use of the guarantee without proper notice to the compiler.

I see you are up to your old tricks of oversnipping so you
can change the subject.

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Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 18:35 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 11:23 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 21:28 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 11:45 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:16 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 12:23 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:31 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 12:42 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 14:42 +1300
            Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 13:18 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:15 +0000
    Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 20:42 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 22:50 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:59 +1300
          Re: Macro Expansion Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-07 15:10 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-07 17:24 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-15 21:55 -0800
            Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-16 09:06 -0800
              Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-31 08:51 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-31 13:06 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-03 07:49 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-03 12:03 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-09 09:00 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-08 01:37 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 10:22 +0100
  Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 12:18 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:28 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 12:36 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 22:59 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 00:20 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 13:30 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 14:00 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 07:43 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 17:47 +0000
            Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-10 22:49 +0000
              Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 23:28 +0000
              Re: Macro Expansion "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-10 18:51 -0500
                Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-11 00:06 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 20:30 +0000
            Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 10:04 -0700
              Re: Macro Expansion Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-26 12:00 -0700
                Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:24 -0700
              Re: Macro Expansion bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-26 20:12 +0100
                Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:34 -0700
                Re: Macro Expansion jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-04-26 13:46 -0700
  Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 10:13 +0100
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 13:10 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 15:51 +0100
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 17:17 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 11:04 -0800
            Re: Macro Expansion Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-08 11:10 -0800
              Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 14:08 -0800
            Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 19:49 +0000
              Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 14:17 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 19:19 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 21:43 +0100
      Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 10:43 -0800
      Re: Macro Expansion Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-08 12:39 -0800
  Re: Macro Expansion antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-01-08 22:54 +0000
    Re: Macro Expansion "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-08 18:36 -0500
      Re: Macro Expansion antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-01-09 01:15 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-08 20:49 -0500
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 23:53 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-09 01:11 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-01-09 01:31 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 11:28 +0000

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