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Re: Macro Expansion

From Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Macro Expansion
Date 2017-02-03 07:49 -0800
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supercat@casperkitty.com writes:

> On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 10:51:53 AM UTC-6, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> supercat writes:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 11:56:05 PM UTC-6, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>> supercat writes:
>>>>> The language was in wide use prior to the Standard, and the
>>>>> Committee decided that it should try to come up with a single set
>>>>> of rules which was consistent with as many implementations as
>>>>> possible, [...]
>>>>
>>>> Your view of the history is mistaken.  See the Rationale
>>>> document.
>>>
>>> You mean this part?
>>>
>>> | The X3J11 charter clearly mandates the Committee to codify
>>> | common existing practice.  The Committee has held fast to
>>> | precedent wherever this was clear and unambiguous.  The vast
>>> | majority of the language defined by the Standard is precisely
>>> | the same as is defined in Appendix A of The C Programming
>>> | Language by Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie, and as is
>>> | implemented in almost all C translators.  (This document
>>> | is hereinafter referred to as K&R.)
>>
>> No I meant this part:
>>
>> | Existing code is important, existing implementations are not.
>
> As I intended the term "consistent", if X always yields 1, while Y may
> arbitrarily yield 1 or 2, the behavior of X is consistent with that of
> Y, but not vice versa.  Perhaps some other term would have been better?

The key word here is not "consistent" but "implementations".
What the committee paid attention to was not what behaviors
/implementations/ chose but what behaviors /code/ made use of.
That is a significant difference.

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Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 18:35 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 11:23 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 21:28 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 11:45 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:16 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 12:23 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:31 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 12:42 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 14:42 +1300
            Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 13:18 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:15 +0000
    Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 20:42 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 22:50 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:59 +1300
          Re: Macro Expansion Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-07 15:10 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-07 17:24 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-15 21:55 -0800
            Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-16 09:06 -0800
              Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-31 08:51 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-31 13:06 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-03 07:49 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-02-03 12:03 -0800
                Re: Macro Expansion Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-02-09 09:00 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-08 01:37 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 10:22 +0100
  Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 12:18 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 20:28 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 12:36 -0800
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-07 22:59 +0000
  Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 00:20 -0800
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 13:30 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 14:00 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 07:43 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 17:47 +0000
            Re: Macro Expansion Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-10 22:49 +0000
              Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 23:28 +0000
              Re: Macro Expansion "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-10 18:51 -0500
                Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-11 00:06 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 20:30 +0000
            Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 10:04 -0700
              Re: Macro Expansion Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-26 12:00 -0700
                Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:24 -0700
              Re: Macro Expansion bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-26 20:12 +0100
                Re: Macro Expansion Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:34 -0700
                Re: Macro Expansion jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-04-26 13:46 -0700
  Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 10:13 +0100
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 13:10 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 15:51 +0100
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 17:17 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 11:04 -0800
            Re: Macro Expansion Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-08 11:10 -0800
              Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 14:08 -0800
            Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 19:49 +0000
              Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 14:17 -0800
          Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 19:19 +0000
          Re: Macro Expansion Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-08 21:43 +0100
      Re: Macro Expansion supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-08 10:43 -0800
      Re: Macro Expansion Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-08 12:39 -0800
  Re: Macro Expansion antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-01-08 22:54 +0000
    Re: Macro Expansion "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-08 18:36 -0500
      Re: Macro Expansion antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-01-09 01:15 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-08 20:49 -0500
    Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-08 23:53 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-09 01:11 +0000
      Re: Macro Expansion antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-01-09 01:31 +0000
        Re: Macro Expansion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-10 11:28 +0000

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