Re: Data alignment questin, structures

From	mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Data alignment questin, structures
Date	2013-01-21 10:21 -0800
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Dr Nick wrote:

> Forcing my ordering, but allowing for indeterminate padding leaves us
> somewhere between two stools.

That's my view too.  The standards seem to think that one set of 
behavior for struct must fit all, and consequently it fits some common
applications not very well at all.  The idea of the "memstruct" I 
proposed was that rather than trying to make struct do everything, 
create a related construct specifically for handling data in memory, 
leaving the regular "struct" to be optimized in the other direction,
and the compiler knowing enough to to copy data back and forth between a 
memstruct and a struct, without the programmer having to know about the 
alignment, platform hardware, and the other nitty gritty details that 
are needed now.  Presumably such an extension could also handle issues 
with platforms having 16 or 32 bit chars.  (The programmer can with 
enough work, so the compiler should be able to do it too.)

On further consideration I think I would do memstruct slightly 
differently then I originally suggested.  Since it would hardly ever be 
used except in conjunction with its corresponding struct rather than 
duplicating all of the fields like this:

typedef memstruct {
   /*fields*/
} mymemstruct;

typedef struct {
   /* same fields as preceding */
} mystruct

just define the regular struct and then define both the memstruct and 
its relationship to the struct with a statement something like this:

typedef memstruct { mystruct; } mymemstruct;

(The syntax doesn't really matter, it just needs to tell the compiler to 
associate memstruct "mymemstruct" with struct "mystruct".)

Regards,

David Mathog

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Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 10:15 -0800
  Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-12 18:54 +0000
    Re: Data alignment questin, structures Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2013-01-15 20:14 +0000
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-15 16:29 -0500
  Re: Data alignment questin, structures Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-12 15:41 -0500
    Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <dmathog@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 10:24 -0800
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-18 14:05 -0500
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-18 14:46 -0500
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-18 21:11 +0000
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 17:14 -0500
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-18 23:09 +0000
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-18 16:23 -0800
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-19 21:02 -0800
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-20 01:25 -0500
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 07:53 +0000
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-20 14:02 +0000
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-20 07:35 -0800
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-20 11:49 -0800
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-20 12:30 -0500
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 10:26 -0800
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-20 15:11 -0500
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-20 20:34 +0000
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-20 15:53 -0500
              Re: Data alignment questin, structures 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-20 13:16 -0800
              Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 20:27 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-21 00:37 -0500
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2013-01-21 10:07 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-21 10:21 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-21 10:34 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-21 13:07 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-21 22:24 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <dmathog@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 10:18 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 20:57 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-22 14:51 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-22 11:12 +1300
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-21 20:53 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-20 22:06 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2013-01-22 00:27 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-22 06:44 -0500
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Bart van Ingen Schenau <bart@ingen.ddns.info.invalid> - 2013-01-21 10:19 +0000
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 22:19 +0000
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 22:14 +0000
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-20 22:48 +0000
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-01-20 18:11 -0600
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-21 14:07 +1300
  Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-12 17:45 -0500
    Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-13 10:17 -0800
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-13 17:16 -0500

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