Re: Data alignment questin, structures

From	Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Data alignment questin, structures
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Date	2013-01-21 10:07 +0000
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Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> writes:

> On 1/20/2013 23:27, mathog wrote:
>>
>> Admittedly pragma pack gets most of what I need from a memstruct in
> a
>> struct.  Has that pragma made it into some version of the C
> standard, or
>> is it still a compiler specific extension (albeit a common one)?
>>
>
> It's not in any Standard that I'm aware of, and it makes demands of
> implementers that could potentially make things difficult for their
> implementations.  Also, given that there are libraries to help with
> this sort of thing, I don't have any idea why it'd be a priority to
> standardize.

Structures are one of the areas where I think C has ended up in a rather
strange place.  They don't (as discussed here) work for mapping memory
to abstract data types and they don't work quite as well as they could
do for structuring program data.

I'd love to see something where I could tell the compiler "I've got
zillions of these things in my program, please order them in the most
memory efficient way" or "this is master configuration data that will be
used all over the place but there's only one copy, so optimise for rapid
access".  But in both cases I could lay out the structure when defined
in a way that made the code as self-documenting as possible.

Forcing my ordering, but allowing for indeterminate padding leaves us
somewhere between two stools.

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Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 10:15 -0800
  Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-12 18:54 +0000
    Re: Data alignment questin, structures Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2013-01-15 20:14 +0000
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-15 16:29 -0500
  Re: Data alignment questin, structures Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-12 15:41 -0500
    Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <dmathog@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 10:24 -0800
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-18 14:05 -0500
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-18 14:46 -0500
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-18 21:11 +0000
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 17:14 -0500
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-18 23:09 +0000
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-18 16:23 -0800
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-19 21:02 -0800
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-20 01:25 -0500
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 07:53 +0000
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-20 14:02 +0000
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-20 07:35 -0800
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-20 11:49 -0800
        Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-20 12:30 -0500
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 10:26 -0800
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-20 15:11 -0500
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-20 20:34 +0000
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-20 15:53 -0500
              Re: Data alignment questin, structures 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-20 13:16 -0800
              Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 20:27 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-21 00:37 -0500
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2013-01-21 10:07 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-21 10:21 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-21 10:34 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-21 13:07 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-21 22:24 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <dmathog@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 10:18 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 20:57 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-22 14:51 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-22 11:12 +1300
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-21 20:53 +0000
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-20 22:06 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2013-01-22 00:27 -0800
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-22 06:44 -0500
                Re: Data alignment questin, structures Bart van Ingen Schenau <bart@ingen.ddns.info.invalid> - 2013-01-21 10:19 +0000
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 22:19 +0000
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-20 22:14 +0000
          Re: Data alignment questin, structures "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-20 22:48 +0000
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-01-20 18:11 -0600
            Re: Data alignment questin, structures Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-21 14:07 +1300
  Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-12 17:45 -0500
    Re: Data alignment questin, structures mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> - 2013-01-13 10:17 -0800
      Re: Data alignment questin, structures Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-13 17:16 -0500

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