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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.php |
| Subject | Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? |
| Date | 2013-01-05 12:59 +0000 |
| Organization | albasani.net |
| Message-ID | <kc983g$3ug$1@news.albasani.net> (permalink) |
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On 05/01/13 09:47, Gregor Kofler wrote: > Am 2013-01-04 19:13, The Natural Philosopher meinte: > >> I was writing code long before we HAD IDEs. > > Naturally. > >> BECAUSE we were professionals we learnt to write code in such a way that >> the chances of a bug were very very low. >> >> Its hackers who use IDES to throw code together, and then spend the next >> day bodging it until it works, simply because they have the tools that >> make debugging easier than writing proper code in the first place. > > So you'd suggest that professional developers stick to vi (and vi > alone)? Professional developers don't need debuggers, unit tests, > automated versioning, automated documentation generation, deployment tools? > Not at all. I just maintain that you don't judge a workman by his tools. But by results. And buying fancy tools doesn't turn a bad coder into a professional. >> The youth of today... > > IIRC I wrote my first program 29 years ago (in BASIC on a ZX Spectrum) > and I prefer a decent IDE for most jobs - do I qualify as youngling? > dunno. I dont write large code projects these days. And if I do I tend to use C anyway. Php is a small shim, to work the user interface mostly. The grunt work is in C. Modular code and the same style I have always used: keep subroutines short, well documented, put debug code in when it doesn't work, take it out again afterwards..think before you code..think twice and write it down before you construct any SQL table... The majority of errors are syntax. Compilers pick those up quickly. I hate it in PHP that if I mistype a variable it accepts it anyway. In C it tells me its undeclared. If I write code thats so complex I cant spot the subtle bug, I rewrite it in simpler form,. Its bad code practice to write stuff even YOU dont understand. That's the difference between professional coders and Stuckle. Pro coders use what tools they have and do the best they can. All stuckle can think about is that he's got a better tool than you, so he must be a better coder. > Gregor -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-06 13:53 +0000
Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-05 18:25 +0000
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