Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers?

From	Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers?
Date	2013-01-05 08:35 -0500
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On 1/5/2013 6:01 AM, crankypuss wrote:
> On 01/04/2013 06:52 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 1/4/2013 7:06 AM, bill wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2013 8:18 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 03.01.2013 12:52, schrieb bill:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use xdebug, and a IDE that does it, for example Komodo IDE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a remote debugger that does not require and IDE?
>>>>> ie: one I can open in a 2nd browser window?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I once found a xdebug_client directly from the makers at xdebug.org,
>>>> but it was in
>>>> alpha state.
>>>>
>>>> You can dump execution traces.
>>>>
>>>> But why worry? A developer has an IDE.
>>>>
>>>> /Str.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer HTML-Kit Tools as an editor and it is not part of an IDE.
>>> bill
>>
>> Sorry, I agree.  A DEVELOPER has an IDE.  A hacker uses an editor.
>>
>
> Please, Jerry; such unthinking buffoonery is beneath you, you are
> neither an idiot nor a fool so why present yourself as a bigoted
> software redneck.
>
> Developers do what is necessary, including building their own IDE using
> an editor, or the fucking dip-switches if that's what it takes.  Lamers
> subject to significant brain damage from too many years of doing as they
> are told only have an IDE, the one that is most politically correct, or
> has been chosen by some idiot who has sucked up to management.
>

Yes, developers do what is necessary - including acquiring the correct 
tools to make their job easier and more efficient.  This includes an 
IDE.  And no, GOOD developers don't waste their time creating an IDE - 
there are several already available they can use - which allows them to 
spend their time being productive.  I don't know of any carpenters who 
build their own hammers.

> It is absolutely unnecessary to have an IDE in order to have a debugger,
> the debugger does its part of the job, the editor does its part, and an
> IDE tries to take it all upon itself to hoard the credit... in some
> cases an IDE might actually make things more convenient overall, but
> I've seen more cases of IDEs making things more of a pain in the ass.
>

No, and it's not necessary for a carpenter to have a hammer.  But a good 
IDE with an integrated debugger is much more efficient a separate 
debugger.

Yes, the wrong IDE can be a PITA - but often times the problem is the 
developer not taking the time to learn a new tool properly.

> The word "hacker" seems to have come into vogue and now seems to be
> leaving the fad building; back in the day, a "hack" described a quack
> doctor, or an incompetent professional.  People want to think they are
> hackers when that is the politically acceptable thing, "developers" when
> that is more fashionable.  Nobody is content to be a programmer anymore,
> everybody is most interested in gathering the acclaim suggested by a
> fancy title.  Developer, hacker, blah blah blah.  Just get the job done.


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Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? BobMCT <r.mariotti@fdcx.net> - 2013-01-02 21:50 -0500
  Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-02 23:15 -0500
  Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-01-03 10:25 +0100
    Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2013-01-03 06:52 -0500
      Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-01-03 14:18 +0100
        Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? bill <william@TechServSys.com> - 2013-01-04 07:06 -0500
          Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-04 08:52 -0500
            Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-01-04 10:50 -0600
              Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-04 18:13 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-04 14:40 -0500
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2013-01-05 11:13 -0700
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-05 18:31 +0000
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                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-04 20:21 +0000
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                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-05 04:32 +0000
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                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2013-01-05 10:47 +0100
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-05 12:59 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-01-15 11:36 +0100
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-15 13:28 +0000
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                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-15 15:05 +0000
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              Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-01-04 19:25 +0100
            Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-01-05 04:01 -0700
              Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-05 08:35 -0500
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-01-05 12:07 -0700
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-05 14:51 -0500
              Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-01-05 15:47 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-01-05 15:59 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2013-01-05 18:51 +0100
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-05 18:30 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-01-05 18:44 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-01-05 18:42 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2013-01-05 19:47 +0100
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-05 14:52 -0500
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-06 12:11 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2013-01-06 13:41 +0100
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-01-06 08:23 -0500
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-06 13:53 +0000
                Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-05 18:25 +0000
          Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2013-01-04 15:22 +0100
            Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-01-04 15:40 +0100
            Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? crankypuss <noemail@noemail.invalid> - 2013-01-05 04:06 -0700
              Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2013-01-06 01:56 +0100
            Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-01-05 13:55 +0000
              Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2013-01-05 17:51 +0100
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