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Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs

From Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs
Date 2012-12-14 19:30 +0000
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On 2012-12-14, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>>>>> On 2012-12-14, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Your previous postings imply that you are doing hobbyist type work
> > and you don't say what packaging you need the device in so as much as
> > it pains me :-), I am going to point you to the PIC18F range if you
> > want it in PDIP.
>
> 	My guess is that anything with 0.8 mm or larger spacing will be
> 	just fine.  0.5 mm pitch feels a bit too fine to tackle for an
> 	amateur, but I'm yet to try it myself.
>
> > Start by looking at the PIC18F14K50.  It's quite a limited device so
> > you may need to look at the other options in the PIC18F range to see
> > which of them also support USB device.
>
> 	... As for the PIC's, given the sheer number of university
> 	courses built around these I've seen, I've always assumed
> 	there're something wrong with them.  (Some of their "weak
> 	points" were referenced in recent CAE postings, BTW.)
>

Yes, including by myself. :-) They do have a lousy architecture, but
they are available in packages I am comfortable working with and they
have USB device in those same packages which the other MCU architectures
I prefer do not.

> 	Anyway, is there a reason I'd choose this particular MCU over,
> 	say, STM32F103C8 (other than the package, which is the troubling
> 	0.5 mm LQFP 48 for the latter, that is)?  As for the cost, it
> 	seems to be > $5 a piece for the former vs. < $3 for the latter
> 	(for the smaller orders, e. g., a dozen or so.)
>

If you are comfortable working at something smaller than PDIP, then
I cannot think of any reason to consider the 8-bit PICs in your case.

BTW, at Farnell in the UK, they are charging just over 2 UKP per unit
(well under 4 US$ at current exchange rates) for the PIC18F14K50 and I
have always considered Farnell to be a bit more expensive than some
others based on the prices I have paid for other products.

The AT90USB162-16AU comes in a TQFP 0.8mm pitch package according to
Atmel's summary PDF; the Farnell UK price seems reasonable at qty 10,
but given what you have said above, I don't know what price your
suppliers would charge for them however.

Simon.

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  Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-07 10:28 -0500
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                Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-14 07:43 -0800
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                Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-13 23:20 -0800
                Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2012-12-14 17:50 +0000
                Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-14 14:28 -0800
          serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 23:21 +0700
            Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2012-12-14 09:18 -0800
              Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-14 11:19 -0800
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-16 21:00 +0700
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-16 13:46 -0800
                USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-17 00:53 +0000
                Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-16 17:46 -0800
                Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-17 13:27 +0000
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2012-12-17 10:32 -0500
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs me@linnix.info-for.us - 2012-12-17 11:13 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-17 12:03 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-17 12:17 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Christopher Head <chead@is.invalid> - 2012-12-17 23:36 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-17 23:54 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-18 13:06 +0000
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs j.m.granville@gmail.com - 2012-12-18 14:04 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-18 14:13 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Christopher Head <chead@is.invalid> - 2012-12-19 02:37 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-19 12:59 +0000
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rocky <RobertGush@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 10:19 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 10:43 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 10:39 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 10:44 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Christopher Head <chead@is.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:42 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 21:05 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-20 14:13 +0000
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-20 11:58 -0800
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2012-12-24 00:41 +0000
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2012-12-24 15:45 +0000
                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-24 11:40 -0800
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Frnak McKenney <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> - 2012-12-20 10:00 -0600
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-20 11:54 -0800
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2012-12-20 12:01 -0800
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-20 12:27 -0800
            Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-14 17:53 +0000
              Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 01:26 +0700
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-14 19:30 +0000
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 11:25 +0700
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-17 00:29 +0000
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs me@linnix.info-for.us - 2012-12-17 11:05 -0800
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-14 14:34 -0500
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2012-12-14 23:25 +0000
                finer pitches Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-16 20:48 +0700
              Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-14 21:26 -0800

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