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Anton Ertl wrote:
> "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> writes:
> >Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
> >> On 11/12/12 5:15 AM, Jason Damisch wrote:
> >> > Why can't they just write an OS which works correctly most if not all of
> >>  > the time?  Could it be that the very idea of garbage collection is
> >> > fundamentally flawed?
>
> Given that most popular OSs don't use GC internally, their correctness
> problems are obviously not due to GC.
>
> More generally, the idea of GC is not fundamentally flawed.  GC has
> some benefits and some limitations.
>
> >> Ding ding ding ding we have a winner. That is why we never use it in
> >> embedded systems that have to run forever without occasional reboots to
> >> fix all the allocation issues. Personally, I don't like it at all,
> >> though I realize there's a need for it in general-purpose OSs.
> >
> >Does the same apply to ALLOCATE FREE RESIZE ?
> >
> >I ask this because I've noted a trend where every computer ill seems
> >to be blamed on "memory leaks".
>
> Memory leaks are a problem in some long-runnung programs, but most
> "ills" I experience are from other kinds of bugs.  It's harder to FREE
> all dead memory explicity than to eliminate all references to dead
> memory, so memory leaks are more common with FREE than with GC.

Are you saying there is an inherent flaw in FREE - or simply a failure
on the part of programmers to FREE memory? i.e. is dead memory
avoidable or inevitable?  Elizabeth's comment above sounds a note
of warning but it's unclear whether she's talking about GC specifically
or dynamic memory generally.

If dynamic memory can only be relied upon to work when there is
an abundance of memory, then it begs the question why use it.

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Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-02 08:41 -0700
  Re: Windows8 Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 11:12 -0700
  Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-06 09:05 -0800
    Re: Windows8 Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-12 07:10 -0800
      Re: Windows8 stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-12 17:27 +0000
    Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-21 17:48 -0800
  Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-07 20:44 -0800
  Re: Windows8 Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-12 07:15 -0800
    Re: Windows8 Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-12 07:59 -0800
    Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-12 07:55 -1000
      Re: Windows8 "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-11-14 20:04 +1100
        Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-14 17:01 +0000
          Re: Windows8 "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-11-18 11:14 +1100
            Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-19 14:25 +0000
              Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 08:09 -1000
                Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-20 09:55 +0000
                Re: Windows8 mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-11-25 10:56 +0200
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-25 16:46 +0100
            Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 16:21 -0500
              Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 13:46 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 17:05 -0500
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 12:14 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 14:30 -0800
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 12:53 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 17:44 -0500
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 14:52 -0800
                GC (was Re: Windows8) Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-26 11:44 -0500
                Re: GC Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-26 11:44 -0800
                Re: GC Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-28 06:35 -0500
                Re: GC Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-29 11:58 -0800
                Re: GC albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-30 01:46 +0000
                Re: GC Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-29 21:14 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 14:42 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 17:56 -0500
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 15:14 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 18:45 -0500
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 14:18 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-19 16:18 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-11-19 19:01 -0500
                Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-19 12:58 -1000
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-20 02:23 +0100
                Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-20 10:48 +0000
                Re: Windows8 Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-20 07:56 -0800
                Re: Windows8 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-21 15:03 +0000
                Re: Windows8 Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-23 05:58 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 02:13 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-20 08:57 -0800
                Re: Windows8 "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2012-11-20 16:56 -0500
                Re: Windows8 mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-11-25 11:20 +0200
    Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-14 16:36 -0500
      Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 12:12 -1000
        Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-14 17:46 -0500
          Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 13:12 -1000
            Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-14 18:12 -0800
            Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 13:55 -0500
              Re: Windows8 RR <freedomspyder@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 16:03 -0800
                Re: Windows8 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 21:54 -0500
                Re: Windows8 RR <freedomspyder@gmail.com> - 2012-11-15 19:26 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-15 19:27 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-16 17:45 +0100
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-16 09:10 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-16 22:34 +0100
                Re: Windows8 Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2012-11-16 18:06 +0000
                Re: Windows8 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-16 11:09 -0800
                Re: Windows8 Spam@ControlQ.com - 2012-11-16 15:18 -0500
        Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-15 00:19 -0800
          Re: Windows8 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-14 22:55 -1000
          Re: Windows8 albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-15 12:20 +0000
            Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-15 08:32 -0800
            Re: Windows8 kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2012-11-16 04:51 -0600
              Re: Windows8 stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-11-16 13:46 +0000
              Re: Windows8 visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-11-16 08:12 -0800
  Re: Windows8 the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2012-11-29 00:16 -0800

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