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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Windows8 |
| Date | 2012-11-14 17:01 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2012Nov14.180148@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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"Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> writes:
>Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>> On 11/12/12 5:15 AM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>> > Why can't they just write an OS which works correctly most if not all of
>> > the time? Could it be that the very idea of garbage collection is
>> > fundamentally flawed?
Given that most popular OSs don't use GC internally, their correctness
problems are obviously not due to GC.
More generally, the idea of GC is not fundamentally flawed. GC has
some benefits and some limitations.
>> Ding ding ding ding we have a winner. That is why we never use it in
>> embedded systems that have to run forever without occasional reboots to
>> fix all the allocation issues. Personally, I don't like it at all,
>> though I realize there's a need for it in general-purpose OSs.
>
>Does the same apply to ALLOCATE FREE RESIZE ?
>
>I ask this because I've noted a trend where every computer ill seems
>to be blamed on "memory leaks".
Memory leaks are a problem in some long-runnung programs, but most
"ills" I experience are from other kinds of bugs. It's harder to FREE
all dead memory explicity than to eliminate all references to dead
memory, so memory leaks are more common with FREE than with GC.
- anton
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Re: Windows8 "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2012-11-20 16:56 -0500
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