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Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire

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On 9/03/2023 12:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/03/2023 9:47 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/03/2023 9:33 am, Noddy wrote:
> 
>>>> OTOH: We can produce plenty of electricity. We can't produce enough 
>>>> oil for our needs.
>>>
>>> No, we don't, but we are capable of producing roughly one third of 
>>> our current daily needs from our own domestic supplies. That means 
>>> that fuel would become limited, and certainly much more expensive, 
>>> but we wouldn't be left without it.
>>>
>>> This country got through WWII with fuel rationing, and if we had to 
>>> do something like that again we could.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **I knew someone would bring up WWII. Australia's population was MUCH 
>> smaller and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH less reliant on fossil fuels back then. 
>> We were desperate enough to make oil from shale deposits (very, VERY 
>> expensively). The comparisons with how things were 80 years ago and 
>> completely irrelevant.
> 
> Not in the slightest.
> 
> It's relative. We were using far less fuel back then, but we were also 
> producing far less as well. We've had rationing before, and if we had to 
> resort to those days again we would. look at the Covid restricted world 
> we've just emerged from for example. 5 years ago had you told anyone 
> that we would have a world wide pandemic that would see us all be locked 
> down like rats in our own homes people would have thought you were a 
> complete nutbag and moved to have you committed. Yet there we all were 
> doing exactly what we needed to do in order to get by.
> 
> It's not something that we've never done before, or are incapable of 
> ever doing again.
> 
> It's that simple....
> 
>> Make no mistake: ALL available oil will be dedicated to essential 
>> services and the military.
> 
> The only "mistake" being made here is your overly simplistic view on how 
> you perceive things would play out in such as scenario in my opinion.
> 
> In the first instance, the ability of the Chinese to completely surround 
> and cut off this country from the outside world are absolutely zero. We 
> have one of the biggest unbroken coastlines in the world, and as 
> powerful as the Chinese military may be putting an impenetrable "wall" 
> all the way around this country is entirely beyond their ability. This 
> isn't Taiwan we're talking about here.

**How many places can an oil tanker disgorge it's cargo in Australia?

Do you honestly imagine that China cannot track oil tankers bound for 
Australia?

If China tells a tanker to turn around, do you imagine that the tanker 
operator will not comply?

I'll say again: Tankers are big, slow and easy to track. China can very 
easily cut off our supply of oil. And I believe it very likely will, 
unless there is a change of leadership in China.

> 
> Secondly, our ability to produce our own fuels, both fossil and 
> synthetic, has never been adequately tested. We've relied heavily on 
> imports purely for economic reasons, but that doesn't mean we're not 
> capable of producing our own fuels should the need arise. I doubt that 
> we'd be able to meet our current requirements, but I also doubt we'd be 
> unable to produce enough to get by with restrictions.
> 

**AFAIK, we have two oil refineries left.

> In other words, I don't believe your "end of the world as we know it" 
> predictions are anywhere near as accurate as you like to think they are.

**We'll see. When the Republicans take office in the US, we'll be fucked.


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a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2023-03-08 03:02 +0100
  Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-08 13:40 +1100
    Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-08 15:22 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2023-03-08 16:00 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-08 17:47 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:50 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 08:11 +1100
          Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:14 +1100
            Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:21 +1000
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:41 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:37 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:43 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:17 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:20 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:48 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 23:30 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-08 20:18 -0800
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:56 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:18 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:40 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:30 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:02 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 17:01 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-08 20:06 -0800
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:34 +1100
            Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:33 +1100
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:47 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:01 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:07 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:59 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 16:27 +1000
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 20:19 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 22:59 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 12:42 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-10 13:53 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 14:32 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:48 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire alvey <Patty.O.Furniture@Coast.org> - 2023-03-08 23:58 +0000
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:46 +1100
    Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 16:08 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-07 22:11 -0800
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 20:12 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-03-08 19:40 +1000
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:02 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:08 +1100
          Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:23 +1100
            Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:15 +1100
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:58 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:18 +1100

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