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| From | Noddy <me@home.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.cars, aus.science |
| Subject | Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire |
| Date | 2023-03-09 12:01 +1100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <tubb5o$15fm8$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 9/03/2023 9:47 am, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 9/03/2023 9:33 am, Noddy wrote: >>> OTOH: We can produce plenty of electricity. We can't produce enough >>> oil for our needs. >> >> No, we don't, but we are capable of producing roughly one third of our >> current daily needs from our own domestic supplies. That means that >> fuel would become limited, and certainly much more expensive, but we >> wouldn't be left without it. >> >> This country got through WWII with fuel rationing, and if we had to do >> something like that again we could. >> >> > > **I knew someone would bring up WWII. Australia's population was MUCH > smaller and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH less reliant on fossil fuels back then. We > were desperate enough to make oil from shale deposits (very, VERY > expensively). The comparisons with how things were 80 years ago and > completely irrelevant. Not in the slightest. It's relative. We were using far less fuel back then, but we were also producing far less as well. We've had rationing before, and if we had to resort to those days again we would. look at the Covid restricted world we've just emerged from for example. 5 years ago had you told anyone that we would have a world wide pandemic that would see us all be locked down like rats in our own homes people would have thought you were a complete nutbag and moved to have you committed. Yet there we all were doing exactly what we needed to do in order to get by. It's not something that we've never done before, or are incapable of ever doing again. It's that simple.... > Make no mistake: ALL available oil will be dedicated to essential > services and the military. The only "mistake" being made here is your overly simplistic view on how you perceive things would play out in such as scenario in my opinion. In the first instance, the ability of the Chinese to completely surround and cut off this country from the outside world are absolutely zero. We have one of the biggest unbroken coastlines in the world, and as powerful as the Chinese military may be putting an impenetrable "wall" all the way around this country is entirely beyond their ability. This isn't Taiwan we're talking about here. Secondly, our ability to produce our own fuels, both fossil and synthetic, has never been adequately tested. We've relied heavily on imports purely for economic reasons, but that doesn't mean we're not capable of producing our own fuels should the need arise. I doubt that we'd be able to meet our current requirements, but I also doubt we'd be unable to produce enough to get by with restrictions. In other words, I don't believe your "end of the world as we know it" predictions are anywhere near as accurate as you like to think they are. -- -- -- Regards, Noddy.
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a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2023-03-08 03:02 +0100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-08 13:40 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-08 15:22 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2023-03-08 16:00 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-08 17:47 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:50 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 08:11 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:14 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:21 +1000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:41 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:37 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:43 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:17 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:20 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:48 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 23:30 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-08 20:18 -0800
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:56 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:18 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:40 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:30 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:02 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 17:01 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-08 20:06 -0800
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:34 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:33 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:47 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:01 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:07 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:59 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 16:27 +1000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 20:19 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 22:59 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 12:42 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-10 13:53 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 14:32 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:48 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire alvey <Patty.O.Furniture@Coast.org> - 2023-03-08 23:58 +0000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:46 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 16:08 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-07 22:11 -0800
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 20:12 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-03-08 19:40 +1000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:02 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:08 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:23 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:15 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:58 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:18 +1100
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