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Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional

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On 4/12/2012 11:33 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
> Am 12.04.2012 13:56, schrieb crankypuss:
>> On 04/11/2012 11:09 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>> Am 11.04.2012 13:16, schrieb crankypuss:
>>>> On 04/09/2012 01:35 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote:
>>>>> I was curious about peoples thoughts in regards to OOP with PHP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there pro's/con's of writing OOP code versus procedural/functional
>>>>> coding?
>>>>>
>>>>> Strictly speaking for PHP, I do the bulk of my coding as
>>>>> procedural/functional. I really haven't found any added benefit to going
>>>>> the OOP route.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something, or is it just a different approach to the same
>>>>> problem?
>>>>
>>>> OOP is basically a good idea carried to an extreme.
>>>>
>>>> There is a boatload of value in the concept of inheritance, but that's largely
>>>> negated by the mechanics of how inheritance is done in OOP languages.
>>>>
>>>> Polymorphism is something that's more in the eye of the programmer than in the
>>>> language, data constructs can be specific or generalized.
>>>>
>>>> The idea that making something into an object gives it superior robustness is a joke
>>>> if you can step back and look at it.
>>>>
>>>> I remember writing a Java application and trying to derive an actually useful string
>>>> class from the garbage they had declared "final" and that was it for me and Java.  I
>>>> cannot begin to count the times when I've had to hoke up an object pointer to use
>>>> some simple processing method that was part of a C++ class.
>>>>
>>>> Of course that's all personal opinion.  I avoid all OOP constructs in PHP wherever I
>>>> can, the more closely I can make it resemble C the easier it will be to convert it
>>>> when the time comes.  There is one exception to that in my code, one of the zip
>>>> functionalities is only supported through some objects... that stuff is encapsulated
>>>> in a subroutine.
>>>>
>>>> Since I value inheritance I've build myself a layered methodology that lets me
>>>> override various functions by adding or inserting different layers at runtime.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the nicest thing about programming is that it puts the lie to religious
>>>> adherences... as one of my college instructors put it, "if your program works for all
>>>> cases it is by definition correct".
>>>
>>> Second phrase could have been "But there are many more aspects of software quality".
>>>
>>> /Str.
>>
>> Sure, and if he'd really wanted his students prepared for the real world he'd have
>> said something about quality being meaningless in the face of profit, so what?
>
> Ignoring good advice, "state of the art", "best practices" isn't something to teach.
> It happens.
>
> And quality is not completely meaningless if the customer can have a look at the code
> and see what he is paying for.
>
> /Str.

They ARE things which should be included in every course.  We do it in 
ours - which is one reason corporations like us.

Corporations are interested in quality.  Support costs are a major expense.


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OOP versus Procedural/Functional "Mr. B-o-B" <mr.chew.baka@gmail.com> - 2012-04-09 14:35 -0500
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-04-09 21:59 +0200
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-09 22:46 +0100
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2012-04-09 19:29 -0700
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 16:55 -0400
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 00:34 +0200
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Goran <goran@nospam.com> - 2012-04-10 10:14 +0200
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 12:06 +0200
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-10 13:04 +0100
      Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-10 16:07 +0100
        Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-10 16:28 +0100
        Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:08 -0400
        Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 19:14 +0200
          Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-10 18:19 +0100
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-04-10 14:49 +0200
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "Álvaro G. Vicario" <alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX@demogracia.com.invalid> - 2012-04-10 17:29 +0200
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-10 16:34 +0100
  Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional crankypuss <no@email.thanks> - 2012-04-11 05:16 -0600
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Goran <goran@nospam.com> - 2012-04-11 16:25 +0200
      Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-11 13:06 -0400
        Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-11 18:18 +0100
          Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-11 16:24 -0400
            Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-11 22:43 +0100
      Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional crankypuss <no@email.thanks> - 2012-04-12 05:54 -0600
    Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-11 19:09 +0200
      Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional crankypuss <no@email.thanks> - 2012-04-12 05:56 -0600
        Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-12 17:33 +0200
          Re: OOP versus Procedural/Functional Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-12 13:18 -0400

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