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Re: out of sheer curiosity...

From Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: out of sheer curiosity...
Date 2012-04-08 20:24 -0400
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On 4/8/2012 6:39 PM, M. Strobel wrote:
> Am 08.04.2012 23:15, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 4/8/2012 4:50 PM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>> Am 29.03.2012 22:11, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 3/29/2012 10:21 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>>> On 3/29/2012 3:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/29/2012 8:33 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/29/2012 12:46 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its just another way of doing things and I let my understanding of the
>>>>>>>> problem guide me, not a set of arbitrary rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As it should!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But what 'rules' are you referring to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PHP's OO is pretty straightforward.
>>>>>>> I think they did a decent job implementing OO.(php 5 that is)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creating smart classes is up to the programmer.
>>>>>>> I am not aware of any extra 'rules'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you maybe referring to all kinds of design patterns scattered around
>>>>>>> the web?
>>>>>>> (In which case I tend to agree, because implementing other people's
>>>>>>> solutions can take the fun out of programming. But reading them never
>>>>>>> hurts. And when you agree to a certain approach you can even decide to
>>>>>>> follow it yourself. It is all up to you, the programmer.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any rules TNP doesn't bother to understand are "arbitrary" in his mind.
>>>>>> He doesn't even like having to follow PHP syntax rules - as he has also
>>>>>> said in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I disagree that PHP 5's implementation of OO is decent. I think it's
>>>>>> half-assed at best. Truly written by people who have no understanding of
>>>>>> OO. But then that can be said of a lot of PHP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> What are your main objections to the PHP5's OO approach?
>>>>>
>>>>> For myself: I must say I love its simplicity.
>>>>> (Simplicity is a Good Thing in my opinion.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, to start with, the lack of function overloading.  It is quite a good feature to
>>>> be able to overload functions - especially constructors.  And because of that, you
>>>> have to run through all kinds of hoops when doing things like storing an object in
>>>> the $_SESSION.
>>>>
>>>> Even then it doesn't work.  When you store an object in the $_SESSION, the object's
>>>> destructor is called at the end of the script, but on the next script the constructor
>>>> is never called.  A direct violation of OO principles.
>>>
>>> Works fine here. Test script:
>>> #!/usr/local/bin/php
>>> <?php
>>>
>>> class C1 {
>>> public $var1 = 'M.';
>>> public $var2 = 'Strobel';
>>>       function __construct() {
>>>           echo "\t-->   call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>       }
>>>       function __destruct() {
>>>          echo "\t-->   call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>       }
>>>       function __sleep() {
>>>          echo "\t-->   call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>          return array('var1','var2');
>>>       }
>>>       function __wakeup() {
>>>          echo "\t-->   call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>       }
>>> } // end class C1
>>>
>>> echo "----- creating class\n";
>>> $c = new C1;
>>> echo "----- serializing class\n";
>>> $ser = serialize($c);
>>> echo "----- deserializing class\n";
>>> $cc = unserialize($ser);
>>> echo "----- deleting first class\n";
>>> unset($c);
>>> echo "----- deleting unserialized class\n";
>>> unset($cc);
>>> exit(0);
>>> #-----------------------
>>>
>>> Result:
>>> strobel@s114-intel:~/projekte/PHP>   ./magicmethods.php
>>> ----- creating class
>>>           -->   call C1::__construct
>>> ----- serializing class
>>>           -->   call C1::__sleep
>>> ----- deserializing class
>>>           -->   call C1::__wakeup
>>> ----- deleting first class
>>>           -->   call C1::__destruct
>>> ----- deleting unserialized class
>>>           -->   call C1::__destruct
>>>
>>> What exactly did you criticize?
>>>
>>> /Str.
>>
>> Look at it again.  You have two destructor calls but only one constructor call.  A
>> direct violation of OO principles.
>>
>> And BTW - I said nothing about serializing.
>>
>> You really do need to learn to read.
>>
>
> No evasions, get to the point. I have one explicit constructor, and one wakeup which
> is a constructor.
>
> What did you talk about if not about serializing?
>
> /Str.

I know a one-to-one correspondence is very difficult for someone of your 
(lack of) intellect to understand, but I'll try again anyway.

You have these calls:
  -->   call C1::__construct

That's ONE call to a constructor.


  -->   call C1::__destruct
  -->   call C1::__destruct

That's TWO calls to destructors.  IOW, an object was constructed without 
calling a constructor.  This is a direct violation of OO principals (all 
objects must have exactly one constructor call and one destructor call).

And ONE does not equal TWO.  wakeup() is not a constructor, any more 
than sleep() is a destructor (and if sleep() were a destructor, then you 
would see a call to sleep() and a call to the destructor).

And I was referring to storing in a session, not serializing the data, i.e.

$_SESSION['stupid'] = $idiot;


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out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-27 12:31 -0430
  Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Álvaro G. Vicario" <alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX@demogracia.com.invalid> - 2012-03-27 19:06 +0200
    Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-27 13:04 -0430
  Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-28 21:12 +0200
    Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-28 20:23 -0430
      Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-29 10:00 +0200
        Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-29 05:23 -0430
          Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 11:46 +0100
            Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-29 14:02 +0200
            Re: out of sheer curiosity... Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 14:33 +0200
              Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 14:37 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 15:59 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 17:58 +0100
              Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-03-29 09:39 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 16:21 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 18:09 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-29 22:07 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-29 23:43 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-30 04:52 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-03-29 16:11 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-29 22:01 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-03-29 19:29 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-08 22:50 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-08 17:15 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-09 00:39 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-09 00:59 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-08 20:28 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-08 20:24 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-09 11:29 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 08:27 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 15:20 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 12:03 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 20:04 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 14:37 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 20:17 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 10:05 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 13:28 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 18:54 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 20:10 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 20:23 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:17 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:11 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:30 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:43 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:08 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-11 10:40 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 07:58 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-10 16:04 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:10 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 18:18 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-10 18:20 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 19:31 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:20 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:57 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:50 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-10 17:41 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 17:25 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:16 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 13:44 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 08:04 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 17:37 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:19 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 18:44 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:23 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-04-09 11:50 -0700
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 23:03 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-04-09 15:27 -0700
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 20:25 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 12:48 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 08:06 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-04-10 07:52 -0430
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:20 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-04-10 12:03 -0430
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:28 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 00:13 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:53 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 22:17 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-11 16:30 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 20:22 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 12:43 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 08:11 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 18:15 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 19:09 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 20:17 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 20:25 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:21 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:34 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 01:00 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:54 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 22:10 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-11 16:31 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 22:40 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-12 00:02 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-12 12:00 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-12 07:45 -0400

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