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Re: out of sheer curiosity...

From Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: out of sheer curiosity...
Date 2012-04-08 20:28 -0400
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On 4/8/2012 7:59 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> M. Strobel wrote:
>> Am 08.04.2012 23:15, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 4/8/2012 4:50 PM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 29.03.2012 22:11, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>> On 3/29/2012 10:21 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/29/2012 3:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/29/2012 8:33 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/29/2012 12:46 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its just another way of doing things and I let my understanding
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> problem guide me, not a set of arbitrary rules.
>>>>>>>> As it should!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what 'rules' are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PHP's OO is pretty straightforward.
>>>>>>>> I think they did a decent job implementing OO.(php 5 that is)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Creating smart classes is up to the programmer.
>>>>>>>> I am not aware of any extra 'rules'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you maybe referring to all kinds of design patterns
>>>>>>>> scattered around
>>>>>>>> the web?
>>>>>>>> (In which case I tend to agree, because implementing other people's
>>>>>>>> solutions can take the fun out of programming. But reading them
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> hurts. And when you agree to a certain approach you can even
>>>>>>>> decide to
>>>>>>>> follow it yourself. It is all up to you, the programmer.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any rules TNP doesn't bother to understand are "arbitrary" in his
>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>> He doesn't even like having to follow PHP syntax rules - as he
>>>>>>> has also
>>>>>>> said in the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I disagree that PHP 5's implementation of OO is decent. I
>>>>>>> think it's
>>>>>>> half-assed at best. Truly written by people who have no
>>>>>>> understanding of
>>>>>>> OO. But then that can be said of a lot of PHP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your main objections to the PHP5's OO approach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For myself: I must say I love its simplicity.
>>>>>> (Simplicity is a Good Thing in my opinion.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, to start with, the lack of function overloading. It is quite
>>>>> a good feature to
>>>>> be able to overload functions - especially constructors. And
>>>>> because of that, you
>>>>> have to run through all kinds of hoops when doing things like
>>>>> storing an object in
>>>>> the $_SESSION.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even then it doesn't work. When you store an object in the
>>>>> $_SESSION, the object's
>>>>> destructor is called at the end of the script, but on the next
>>>>> script the constructor
>>>>> is never called. A direct violation of OO principles.
>>>> Works fine here. Test script:
>>>> #!/usr/local/bin/php
>>>> <?php
>>>>
>>>> class C1 {
>>>> public $var1 = 'M.';
>>>> public $var2 = 'Strobel';
>>>> function __construct() {
>>>> echo "\t--> call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>> }
>>>> function __destruct() {
>>>> echo "\t--> call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>> }
>>>> function __sleep() {
>>>> echo "\t--> call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>> return array('var1','var2');
>>>> }
>>>> function __wakeup() {
>>>> echo "\t--> call ". __METHOD__.PHP_EOL;
>>>> }
>>>> } // end class C1
>>>>
>>>> echo "----- creating class\n";
>>>> $c = new C1;
>>>> echo "----- serializing class\n";
>>>> $ser = serialize($c);
>>>> echo "----- deserializing class\n";
>>>> $cc = unserialize($ser);
>>>> echo "----- deleting first class\n";
>>>> unset($c);
>>>> echo "----- deleting unserialized class\n";
>>>> unset($cc);
>>>> exit(0);
>>>> #-----------------------
>>>>
>>>> Result:
>>>> strobel@s114-intel:~/projekte/PHP> ./magicmethods.php
>>>> ----- creating class
>>>> --> call C1::__construct
>>>> ----- serializing class
>>>> --> call C1::__sleep
>>>> ----- deserializing class
>>>> --> call C1::__wakeup
>>>> ----- deleting first class
>>>> --> call C1::__destruct
>>>> ----- deleting unserialized class
>>>> --> call C1::__destruct
>>>>
>>>> What exactly did you criticize?
>>>>
>>>> /Str.
>>> Look at it again. You have two destructor calls but only one
>>> constructor call. A
>>> direct violation of OO principles.
>>>
>>> And BTW - I said nothing about serializing.
>>>
>>> You really do need to learn to read.
>>>
>>
>> No evasions, get to the point. I have one explicit constructor, and
>> one wakeup which
>> is a constructor.
>>
>> What did you talk about if not about serializing?
>>
>> /Str.
>
>
> c'mon. Jerry just cut and pasted something he read somewhere.
>
> Its not as if he understood what he was posting. Go easy on the poor old
> chap.
>
>

Ah, the biggest troll on Usenet once again shows just how stoopid he is. 
  He refuses to use his real name because he doesn't want everyone to 
know he's neither a programmer or the electrical engineer he claims to 
be.  He's made that all too obvious so many times.

No, he's just a ditch digger who got fired because he couldn't figure 
out which end of the shovel to use.

-- 
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-27 12:31 -0430
  Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Álvaro G. Vicario" <alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX@demogracia.com.invalid> - 2012-03-27 19:06 +0200
    Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-27 13:04 -0430
  Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-28 21:12 +0200
    Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-28 20:23 -0430
      Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-29 10:00 +0200
        Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-29 05:23 -0430
          Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 11:46 +0100
            Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-29 14:02 +0200
            Re: out of sheer curiosity... Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 14:33 +0200
              Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 14:37 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 15:59 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 17:58 +0100
              Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-03-29 09:39 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 16:21 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-29 18:09 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-29 22:07 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-29 23:43 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-30 04:52 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-03-29 16:11 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-29 22:01 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-03-29 19:29 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-08 22:50 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-08 17:15 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-09 00:39 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-09 00:59 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-08 20:28 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-08 20:24 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-09 11:29 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 08:27 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 15:20 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 12:03 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 20:04 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 14:37 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 20:17 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 10:05 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 13:28 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 18:54 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 20:10 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 20:23 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:17 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:11 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:30 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:43 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:08 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-11 10:40 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 07:58 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-10 16:04 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:10 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 18:18 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-10 18:20 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 19:31 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:20 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:57 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:50 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-10 17:41 +0100
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 17:25 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:16 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 13:44 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 08:04 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 17:37 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:19 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 18:44 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:23 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-04-09 11:50 -0700
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-09 23:03 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-04-09 15:27 -0700
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 20:25 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 12:48 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 08:06 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-04-10 07:52 -0430
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 12:20 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-04-10 12:03 -0430
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:28 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 00:13 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:53 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 22:17 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-11 16:30 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-09 20:22 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 12:43 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 08:11 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 18:15 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 19:09 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 20:17 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-10 20:25 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-10 23:21 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 17:34 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 01:00 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-10 19:54 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 22:10 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-11 16:31 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2012-04-11 22:40 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-12 00:02 -0400
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-12 12:00 +0200
                Re: out of sheer curiosity... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-12 07:45 -0400

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