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Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes

From Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes
Date 2012-02-02 01:07 -0500
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On 2/1/2012 22:45, Joe keane wrote:
>> Now I have to read it to find out if there've been any changes in
>> regards to bounds-checking.
>>
>>    int a[2][2];
>>    int * p =&a[0][3];
>>
>
> So far i know
>
>      int d(int x)
>      {
> 	int a[4][5];
> 	int j;
>
> 	for (j =0<  j<  20; j++)
> 	{
> 	    a[[0][j] = 0;
> 	}
>
> 	..
>      }
>
> is legval C, and if it is not please let me know.

Stepping through the critical [corrected] line 'a[0][j] = 0;', we have:

   j -> identifier -> primary-expression -> ... -> expression

   0 (both instances) -> constant -> primary-expression -> ... -> expression

   a -> identifier -> primary-expression -> ... -> expression

   a[0] -> postfix-expression -> ... -> expression

   a[0][j] -> postfix-expression -> ... -> expression

   a[0][j] = 0 -> assignment-expression -> ... -> expression

   a[0][j] = 0; -> expression-statement -> statement

#1 'a' is an "lvalue": an expression that designates an object and has 
type 'int[4][5]' as per the declaration.

#2 'a' is not the operand of either 'sizeof' nor of '&', so its 
evaluation yields an expression with type 'int(*)[5]' and with value 
"pointing to the first element of the array."

#3 'E1[E2]' is identical to '(*((E1)+(E2)))', so...

#4 First we add 0 to the pointer we obtained above (#2).  That result 
will be an expression with the same type and same value as the original 
pointer (#2).

#5 Then we apply the unary indirection '*' operator.  Since our pointer 
(#4) does point to the first element of the array, an object is 
designated and the result has type 'int[5]' and is an lvalue designating 
that array object.

#6 Meanwhile 'j' has been evaluated and it has yielded a particular 
run-time value with type 'int'.

#7 Just before we apply the '[]' operator, the lvalue we obtained (#5) 
that has array type is not the operand or either 'sizeof' nor of '&', so 
its evaluation yields an expression with type 'int *' and with value 
"pointing to the first element of the array."

#8 Then we apply the second '[]' array subscripting operator. 
Considering the identity above, again we first have a pointer (#7) and 
an 'int' value (#6) being added together.  If the 
pointed-to/pointed-into array is large enough, the result will point to 
an element of the array, or one element past the final element.  If the 
pointed-to/pointed-into array is not large enough, the behaviour is 
undefined.  We need to figure out this result before we can proceed with 
application of the unary '*' operator (#3).

So is the array large enough for all the values of 'j' you allowed in 
your 'for' loop?  Your loop body is allowed to have values of 'j' from 0 
through 19.  How large is the array object?  Well, that depends...

Is the array object the 'int[5]'-typed array designated by the lvalue 
from #5?  If so, then 'j' can run out of bounds.

Is the array object the 'int[4][5]'-typed array designated by the lvalue 
from #1?  If so, how many 'int'-typed elements are in that array?  0?  20?

Is the array object a region of data storage with contents that can 
represent values for 20 contiguous 'int's and so happens to be suitably 
aligned for 20 contiguous 'int's?

If the answers for these questions aren't clearly defined, perhaps 
implementations will define the answers according to some particular 
interpretation, including "bounds-checking" interpretations which define 
your 'j' to go out of bounds.

-- 
"The stationery store has moved.  Aaargh!"

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Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Joe Wright <joewwright@comcast.net> - 2011-11-21 16:25 -0500
  Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-21 14:03 -0800
    Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-11-21 17:45 -0500
      Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ark <akhasin@macroexpressions.com> - 2011-11-21 21:19 -0500
        Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-11-21 22:06 -0500
          Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ark <akhasin@macroexpressions.com> - 2011-11-22 03:07 -0500
            Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-11-22 06:51 -0500
        Re: an instance of an object (was: Size of an arraylist in bytes) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-21 21:54 -0800
        Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-11-22 01:49 -0500
          Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ark <akhasin@macroexpressions.com> - 2011-11-22 03:17 -0500
            Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-22 00:48 -0800
            Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-11-23 05:16 -0500
          Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-22 16:49 +0000
        Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-11-23 09:30 -0500
  Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-22 00:07 -0800
    Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-22 00:24 -0800
      Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-25 05:06 -0800
        Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-25 12:15 -0800
          Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 18:49 -0800
            Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-01 13:53 -0800
              Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-02-01 18:53 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-01 20:06 -0800
              Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-01 21:40 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-02 03:45 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-01 20:14 -0800
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-01 23:14 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 18:38 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-03 11:57 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-03 20:07 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-04 22:35 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-04 18:43 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-05 01:50 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-04 21:37 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-05 14:48 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-05 10:20 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-05 16:25 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-05 12:06 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-05 19:21 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 15:29 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-08 10:46 -0800
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-05 02:39 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-05 15:17 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-05 12:06 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 15:06 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-07 17:35 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-07 19:51 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-08 01:14 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-05 02:31 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-03 21:26 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-03 21:31 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-04 06:57 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-04 18:32 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 22:51 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-04 21:25 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-04 17:08 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-08 10:52 -0800
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-04 17:32 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-05 02:19 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-05 09:20 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-05 09:42 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 16:17 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Zoltan Kocsi <zoltan@bendor.com.au> - 2012-02-05 17:49 +1100
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 16:48 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 16:52 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 01:07 -0500
              Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-02-03 11:29 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-03 12:42 -0800
                lvalue "potentially" designates an object (was Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes) Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: lvalue "potentially" designates an object (was Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes) Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-04 18:39 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-02-04 14:46 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-03 22:35 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 00:01 -0500
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-06 08:46 +0000
                Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 23:17 -0500
            Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-02-01 18:34 -0500
              Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-08 10:54 -0800
    Re: Size of an arraylist in bytes Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-25 05:00 -0800

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