Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs

From	Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net>
Newsgroups	comp.compression
Subject	Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs
Date	2011-05-13 18:17 -0700
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human wrote:
>>    http://jpegclub.org/temp/
>>    http://jpegclub.org/temp/ITU-T-JPEG-Plus-Proposal_R3.doc
>
> And by the way, on that meeting I personally talked to Ms.
> Mitchell (etc.), who is editor of the original JPEG standard
> and "JPEG bible" book author, and I could see that they had
> no clue about the DCT.

Guido, you've been claiming for about a decade now that
you have secret, deep knowledge of the DCT, and that
none of us understands it. I've never seen an explanation
of your knowledge.

Perhaps you could start by pointing to the fundamental
errors in Joan Mitchell's book. Then you could try to
give us ignorant savages an inkling into the your magic
hidden DCT properties.

Do you have the Britanik, Yip and Rao book?
Are they as clueless as we are?
If so, why?

> That's why half of the JPEG standard
> is obsolete.

Most standards become obsolete eventually.
Parts of JPEG were / are useful -- other parts not so.
The core stuff is not as good as it might be, but
is quite adequate for many of its current uses, and
has a lot of inertia behind it.

Are you saying that, if only Joan Mitchell had
understood the DCT as well as you do, that JPEG would
have been much better nowadays.

> See, I know something, that's why I don't need to speculate.
> You don't know, that's why you speculate.

Remove our need to speculate. Tell us.

Pete

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removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 13:32 +0300
  Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 13:53 +0200
    Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 16:09 +0100
      Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 18:10 +0200
        Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 18:32 +0200
  Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 06:22 -0700
    Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 18:03 +0300
      Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-05 04:18 -0700
        Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-05 13:35 +0200
          Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-06 00:23 -0700
            Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-06 14:24 +0200
              Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-06 20:33 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 09:52 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-08 15:27 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 17:55 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-08 07:56 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 18:44 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-08 10:21 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 10:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 11:49 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 12:06 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 15:29 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <gv@uc.ag> - 2011-05-09 16:03 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 22:01 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 23:24 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-10 16:45 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-09 04:15 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 14:26 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 15:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 21:09 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 22:28 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 23:06 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-10 17:34 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 15:01 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-09 09:40 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 20:23 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 22:37 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 02:27 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 05:01 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 15:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 05:07 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 14:39 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 15:39 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 16:36 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 08:52 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 19:00 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 10:07 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 17:25 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 10:06 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net> - 2011-05-13 18:17 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 09:16 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 10:07 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 19:52 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 21:08 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-16 08:43 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 05:15 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-16 17:00 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 13:02 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-17 09:43 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-19 02:55 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2011-05-20 13:23 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net> - 2011-05-20 05:38 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 20:15 +0200

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