Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs

From	human <noreplay@elfavo.com>
Newsgroups	comp.compression
Subject	Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs
Date	2011-05-09 21:09 +0200
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Thomas Richter wrote:
> 
> b) is also a problem for digital archives, libraries and so on because
> it means that images taken today are likely unusable in a couple of
> years because any vendor-specific software able to decypher these
> formats is going to be obsolete and unsupported. Consumers do not yet
> realise this, but will soon learn the problem. JPEG can only partially
> address this, see above.
> 
> The problem with b) is that you need the vendors in the boat, which is a
> *very* tough problem because any standardization works against their
> market and binding consumers to their products. (And yes, we have spoken
> to these people). It also means that you never have the right people in
> the meeting to discuss this. A chicken and egg problem.

Such kind of problem is exactly what requires a higher perspective
to be solved.
And that particular problem is created by yourself, the JPEG committee,
by adding confusion and introducing mistakes.
With more understanding you would see that in reality this problem
does not exist - there is already a perfect standard digital image
format, which only needs to be further developed in the right
direction.  IJG has this important statement in the README file:

  In any case, our decoder will remain capable of reading existing
  JPEG image files indefinitely.

So we are committed to retain compatibility for all times.
But everything what the JPEG committee did works against this
promise, by introducing one incompatible mistake after another.
Don't you see that?  And from your statements it appears that
you are not going to stop this insane game.
So you create problems everywhere (of course, you say the blocks
are the problem, so you must find something different, etc. etc.),
and then you complain about the created confusion.
This is exactly the way how the unconscious mind works: It can
only create more problems, not solve anything.  The only way to
get out of this vicious circle is to gain consciousness - and
unfortunately you have no methods to do that, you have never
learned that.
With more understanding you would see a simple solution:
My understanding tells me that everything can be achieved by the
proper further development of the original JPEG technology.

And by the way, the RAW formats are crap anyway, as mentioned,
except those from Sigma/Foveon cameras (.X3F).  One could look
there if these could be replaced by a potential JPEG update.
So the situation is simple with appropriate understanding.

ciao
human

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removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 13:32 +0300
  Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 13:53 +0200
    Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 16:09 +0100
      Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 18:10 +0200
        Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 18:32 +0200
  Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 06:22 -0700
    Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 18:03 +0300
      Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-05 04:18 -0700
        Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-05 13:35 +0200
          Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-06 00:23 -0700
            Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-06 14:24 +0200
              Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-06 20:33 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 09:52 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-08 15:27 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 17:55 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-08 07:56 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 18:44 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-08 10:21 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 10:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 11:49 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 12:06 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 15:29 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <gv@uc.ag> - 2011-05-09 16:03 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 22:01 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 23:24 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-10 16:45 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-09 04:15 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 14:26 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 15:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 21:09 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 22:28 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 23:06 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-10 17:34 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 15:01 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-09 09:40 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 20:23 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 22:37 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 02:27 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 05:01 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 15:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 05:07 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 14:39 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 15:39 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 16:36 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 08:52 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 19:00 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 10:07 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 17:25 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 10:06 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net> - 2011-05-13 18:17 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 09:16 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 10:07 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 19:52 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 21:08 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-16 08:43 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 05:15 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-16 17:00 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 13:02 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-17 09:43 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-19 02:55 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2011-05-20 13:23 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net> - 2011-05-20 05:38 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 20:15 +0200

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