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| From | "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.os.linux |
| Subject | Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... |
| Date | 2019-01-19 10:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gag8n3F4kn1U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <q1gn2802b8t@news2.newsguy.com> <e43e2360-0527-449d-a66e-4e041a11b59b@trust.no1> <eCp0E.232801$eE1.168144@fx31.am4> <q1tlus$ckk$1@dont-email.me> <igmahf-cmv.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
On 1/19/19 5:43 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 19/01/2019 00.02, William Unruh wrote: >> On 2019-01-18, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>> On 2019-01-18, Queequeg <queequeg@trust.no1> wrote: >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For a personal workstation systemd is a TOTALLY UNNECESSARY and >>>>> massive layer of pure junk. Anyone stupid enough to accept it >>>>> will reject all counterarguments for its usefulness. >>>> >>>> I'm still wondering what was the reason for replacing sysvinit with >>>> systemd in default Debian installations despite users' protests. >>> >>> Because systemd is better... >> >> Of course the discussion is over what the definition of "better" is. >> Fron what I have read there are various advantages and disadvantages of >> systemd. Faster boot because of parallel booting, > > openSUSE had parallel booting with initd. Clear dependencies. Init systems which supports parallel start up of services (some predates systemd): sysvinit, openrc, upstart, smf*, launched*, finit, runit, and BSD rc.d* * no Linux version. The list is in no way complete. >> easier to make the booting of subsystem A depend >> on the state of B,C,D. >> logging is incomprehensible binary database file which requires a >> separate program to read. > > You can use traditional log files if you wish, or dump the journal to > text later. > >> systemd boot programs binary programs which >> are hard to either understand or change. Dependencies hard to >> understand. > > Services are defined by simple configuration files easy to change. No > need to debug boot scripts. One issue with the "configuration file" is that in some parts it poorly documented and what you find may not be up to date. Many of the "configuration files" do call on a script which does all the things the old init script did due of limitations what you can do in systemd. The main reasons I do not like systemd is that it keeps on eating up other project and that it's full of security issues (will just be more and more for each thing incorporated into it) and assumptions that things went well when something goes badly (initialization of some hardware is checked, if things fails, it's assumed the hardware in question is working). -- //Aho
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This is what good old systemd has done to me... Ike <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 15:23 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-13 22:39 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Ike" <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 18:28 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 02:08 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 06:52 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:50 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-14 16:09 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:35 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2019-01-15 00:05 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-01-19 08:33 -0500
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 14:00 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 07:07 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:53 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 09:53 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 18:37 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:53 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-14 13:08 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-01-14 08:35 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:53 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 17:46 -0500
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Ike" <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 18:30 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2019-01-15 00:03 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-13 23:50 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-01-14 01:02 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2019-01-13 20:14 -0500
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-01-14 01:21 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 07:05 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 13:25 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 20:00 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 20:39 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 21:15 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Tech Systems <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 07:00 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-14 19:51 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-01-18 11:42 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-18 11:59 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2019-01-20 18:04 +0200
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 14:24 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:23 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 15:26 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-18 19:14 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:07 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-18 19:16 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-18 23:02 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 05:43 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-19 04:56 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 06:07 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:24 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 14:39 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 20:57 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:08 +0100
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