Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me...

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.os.linux
Subject	Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me...
Date	2019-01-19 14:39 +0100
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On 19/01/2019 10.24, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 1/19/19 5:43 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 19/01/2019 00.02, William Unruh wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-18, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-18, Queequeg <queequeg@trust.no1> wrote:
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:

...

>>> easier to make the booting of subsystem A depend
>>> on the state of B,C,D.
>>> logging is incomprehensible binary database file which requires a
>>> separate program to read.
>>
>> You can use traditional log files if you wish, or dump the journal to
>> text later.
>>
>>> systemd boot programs binary programs which
>>> are hard to either understand or change. Dependencies hard to
>>> understand.
>>
>> Services are defined by simple configuration files easy to change. No
>> need to debug boot scripts.
> 
> One issue with the "configuration file" is that in some parts it poorly
> documented and what you find may not be up to date.
> Many of the "configuration files" do call on a script which does all the
> things the old init script did due of limitations what you can do in
> systemd.
> 
> 
> The main reasons I do not like systemd is that it keeps on eating up
> other project and that it's full of security issues (will just be more
> and more for each thing incorporated into it) and assumptions that
> things went well when something goes badly (initialization of some
> hardware is checked, if things fails, it's assumed the hardware in
> question is working).
> 

I don't like it, but not enough to blame it of "my email is not working"
with no proof, or to jump distro, when all my computers are working fine.

And those services that I needed to change to my liking I managed to.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

Thread

This is what good old systemd has done to me... Ike <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 15:23 -0600
  Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-13 22:39 +0000
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Ike" <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 18:28 -0600
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 02:08 +0100
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 06:52 -0600
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:50 +0100
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-14 16:09 +0000
            Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:35 +0100
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2019-01-15 00:05 +0100
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-01-19 08:33 -0500
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 14:00 +0100
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 07:07 -0600
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:53 +0100
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 09:53 -0600
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 18:37 +0100
            Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:53 +0100
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-14 13:08 +0000
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-01-14 08:35 -0600
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:53 +0100
  Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 17:46 -0500
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Ike" <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 18:30 -0600
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2019-01-15 00:03 +0100
  Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-13 23:50 +0100
  Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-01-14 01:02 +0000
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2019-01-13 20:14 -0500
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-01-14 01:21 +0000
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 07:05 +0100
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 13:25 +0100
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 20:00 +0100
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 20:39 +0100
            Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 21:15 +0100
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Tech Systems <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 07:00 -0600
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-14 19:51 +0000
    Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-01-18 11:42 +0000
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-18 11:59 +0000
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2019-01-20 18:04 +0200
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 14:24 +0000
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:23 -0600
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 15:26 +0000
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-18 19:14 +0000
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:07 +0100
      Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-18 19:16 +0000
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-18 23:02 +0000
          Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 05:43 +0100
            Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-19 04:56 +0000
              Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 06:07 +0100
            Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:24 +0100
              Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 14:39 +0100
                Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 20:57 +0100
        Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:08 +0100

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