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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Trump the liar |
| Date | 2018-08-20 19:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fu1cn3F4fu2U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 8/20/18 2:29 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: ... >>>> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"? >>>> >>>> Prove it. >>> >>> I already have... but... >> >> Citation missing. > > In your opinion, but that Politifact story that's 1/2 true would convince > any reasonable person that there's definitely some "harm to society". This is another sign of your black and white thinking. As even you noted there will not be a solution that works 100%, but from what -hh has shown we have worked to make things much better. Elsewhere I have seen, and shown, that illegal immigration has been going down for years. But you like the idea of a symbolic wall. Well, you also do not like it. You really have no point. >> Oh, and this retort attempt: >> >> "Ask this guy to: >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>" >> >> does not cut it. First off, because he's not the poster >> who made the claim here on COLA. > > Correct, you're the poster who made the dishonest strawman on my > behalf. Funny how you keep trying to ignore realities that get in your > way, isn't it? You repeatedly make idiotic claims such as how -hh is backing open borders even when there is NO reason to think he is, AND he specifically told you he does not. But you lie about his view. You also refused to give simple yes or no answers (or note it is not that simple, which would be fine) but then say OTHERS should be able to figure out what you mean, but here -- as predicted -- you whine others are figuring out what you mean. >> Second, just what does such a link actually prove? > > I didn't post it to "prove" anything to you; He is speaking of LOGIC: what do you think that video is showing to back your point. You change the topic to what it means TO HIM, as though he is asking for something other than logic. No! What do you think it does to back your argument based on LOGIC! Or are you all about emotion here? > that can't be done when > you've set your mind to it. Here's another guy you can ignore: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8xDMMNWLE> It is not "ignoring" your links where you ask people to watch videos that not even you can say how they back your claimed views. And the people you point to are looking at those with the LEAST power to blame for the problems that largely come from those with the MOST power. Do you not see how absurd that is? >> That this guy is messed up >> in the head and that's somehow linked? > > Everyone opposing your strawmen and BS is "messed up in the head" THIS IS NOT ABOUT OPPOSITION AND PERSONALITY. THIS IS ABOUT THE LOGIC OF THE ARGUMENTS. Why do you so often run to people and not ideas? > to hear you tell it. Maybe we should get a few of these guys involved > in this thread, you know, for some perspective that may be lacking. You keep point to people who look at those with the least power as the source of their problems... that is not "perspective" others are missing, it is perspective THEY are missing. Clearly. It is not even hard to see... they are very direct about it. >> A link to a guy >> making claims would only work as substantiation if the >> claim was that there's people making claims on the Internet. > > LOL! You took my words and twisted the snot out of them so > excuse me while I laugh at your bizarre idiocy here. BTW it's not > just "a guy", there are plenty to choose from. You are tracking down people who blame those with the least power for the problems tied to those with the most power... and then claiming that since people SAY it that it must be true. Meanwhile, above, you insist that logic should not be the standard used... it is utter madness. >>>>>> , particularly relevant to eighteen >>>>>> years ago, when the rates of immigration were 10x higher despite >>>>>> ~1/3rd as many enforcement resources. >>>>> >>>>> Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source you guys favor >>>>> (Politifact), which could only claim that the spending of 300 billion annually >>>>> on immigration related issues was "half true". The numbers could actually >>>>> be larger than 300 billion once you start looking outward.... >>>> >>>> Even if the numbers are off by as much as 50%, >>> >>> Maybe they're low by more than that. >> >> Or they're higher, which weakens your case even further. > > With the "case" being the strawman you dishonestly created for me. You repeatedly avoid even saying directly what your "case" is.... asking others to guess at it. Then whining when they do. You play victim non-stop. >>>> it is still (a) more staff >>>> & budget, and (b) a huge decline from the 2000 peak. >>>> >>>> BTW, since you started to use Politifact as a reliable source: >>> >>> Nah, I'm using a source you should, were you consistent, accept. >>> >>>> "MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes >>>> than U.S. citizens" >>> >>> "less likely"? Can the language get any more wishy washy? >>> >>> No matter, your obvious problem here is I don't believe Politifact >>> (*especially* on this issue) , you do. >>> >>>> <https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/> >> >> No, a source is either trusted, or it is not: one don't get to >> pick & choose based on if you like what a part says. Choose your >> poison: it is either to accept both, or to accept neither. > > That's really weird. My (reality based) position is: Now you want to say it is "reality" that you get to deem a source liberals because they fact check and thus not to be trusted, but then elsewhere say they SHOULD be trusted. It is not as if you say they should generally be trusted but in such-and-such case you think they made a mistake. > A source is either good or bad on a given topic and it depends on what > the actual claims (as opposed to strawmen and wishy washy language) > and evidence are. But you actively reject evidence and speak of fact checking itself as biased (it is a liberal thing, hence why you cannot name any major fact checkers you think do not have a liberal bias). > For example, as to the language, your 'pants on fire' > cite wasn't worded in a way that was very convincing. The point is to explain and support... they cannot "convince" you if you have a bias you cannot see past. > IMO, Politifact > isn't quite as "fact" based as they'd have people believe, but my > opinion aside, I recognize that doesn't mean they're always wrong. You imply they are generally wrong. LOL! > The way you're suggesting, you'll blow through sources and then > you'll probably get stuck adhering to things even you know are silly > (which looks to be happening already). So you want to change topics again to find some claim from a source you think he will disagree with. Oy. >>>>>>> ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> False. I've merely responded to your claims that there's a huge >>>>>> problem, including your claim that the CBP has been "feeble" in >>>>>> addressing it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of proof. >>>>> >>>>> Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to? >>>> >>>> No one forced you to make you public statement. >>> >>> Regarding that... AGAIN... my first paragraph to this thread: >>> >>> "I initially disagreed with the wall, I'm still not fully convinced. OTOH, >>> once one takes into consideration the annual amount spent on illegal >>> immigration, costs attempting to deal with drugs that are pouring, no >>> **flooding** across the southern border, costs of dealing with drug >>> addiction (including *loss of life, lost productivity, incarceration, etc.) >>> a wall, which we all know won't be 100% effective, looks like it could >>> be at least part of a better solution than our current, feeble attempts." >> >> Claim made: "feeble". > > Notice how you're spending so much time avoiding the *lie* you told > on my behalf, Funny how you CANNOT quote what you call my lies, but when your comments are quoted you deem noting what you said a "lie". You cannot stop playing victim. > only to focus on something that isn't really relevant and > doesn't stand a chance of being settled? Now let's see, why would you > do that? I know it'll come to me... Your view is now not relevant to your view. Wow. Even for you that is bad reasoning. >> Substantiation for claim still missing. >> >> >>> Notably, before I mentioned drugs, I first mentioned (as the bigger, more >>> expensive problem) "illegal immigration", but you went right past that. >> >> Substantiation of this "bigger" claim ... also missing. Cite please. > > The Politifact story about the annual ~$300 billion, a number that, on its > face, exceeds the drug problem. That said, I'm forced to recognize that > the numbers being tossed about in the media can't possibly tell the entire > drug related story. You're lucky, though, apparently you have no such > limitation. Ah, there are things we do not know so you want a wall you do not want but you want others to know if you want it or not or they are lying and it is their fault if they cannot figure out your convoluted contradictions and insults. Oy, part II. >>> Despite my having written a better wall (and, again, I'd be fine with a >>> better fence) "looks like it could be at least part of a better solution" >>> and that it "won't be 100% effective", you flatly lied about what I "said": >>> >>> "You've said that this all will somehow finally be solved simply >>> by throwing even more money at it even though we've already spent >>> $1T (and counting)." - hh >>> >>> Your 'argument' is built on this idiotic straw man. >> >> The only thing that you have to complain about is > > .... the fact that you set up a strawman for me right out the gate? > I wouldn't call it the only thing but it's the main thing. Ah, you are playing victim again. >> the hyperbola >> of "all will...be solved", for its a fact that there's been over >> $1T spent and some metrics have been tracked for decades, such as >> the number of CBP agents and how many arrests they make, etc. >> >>> Despite my having pointed to sources of data regarding U.S. >>> overdose problems, which are *not* limited to fentanyl, you >>> focused on fentanyl... and not just any, the Chinese stuff, >>> to the exclusion of the stuff coming from Mexico (recall the >>> article I pointed to, entitled: "Most fentanyl is seized on >>> the border"). >> >> Over 90% of the world's fentanyl comes from China. > > It might, but you stand a 0% chance of proving that (and it's > not relevant anyway). So you accept it might but you want to build a wall to keep Mexicans out (and not even the drugs, given how the wall would do little about that... heck, the wall is mostly symbolic anyway). But you deny being bigoted, eh? >> Just where >> do you think the Mexican cartels get their fentanyl from? > > Oh, well... then we're safe! YOU can seek help to be safe from your own drug issues. > You know Mexico is bordered with the U.S., or are you *that* far > from reality now? > > (snip BS and rehash) Ah, insults... who could have guessed you would engage in such? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 06:47 -0700
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Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 08:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 09:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 09:55 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:52 -0700
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Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 13:09 -0700
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Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:35 -0700
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Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 20:05 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 03:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:45 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:01 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:58 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:11 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:45 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 22:54 -0400
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:49 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:40 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:50 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:03 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:59 +0000
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 10:42 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:35 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:53 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 16:31 +0000
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:15 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:18 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 09:32 -0500
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 13:00 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:24 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 16:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:41 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:50 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:43 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 21:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 21:47 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:12 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 22:49 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:59 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:40 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:08 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:37 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:12 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:06 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:38 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 14:26 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0500
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-22 06:50 -0700
Re: Trump the liar DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-22 10:21 -0400
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-22 11:33 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:52 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:30 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:51 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:14 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:25 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 11:56 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:53 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:49 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:36 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:04 -0700
People who overdosed on drugs, and died. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-08-14 16:54 -0700
Enertainment comes first and foremost. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-08-16 16:59 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:45 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 13:10 -0700
Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:46 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:22 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:06 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:49 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:05 -0700
Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:20 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:04 -0700
Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:06 -0700
Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:52 -0500
Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:04 +0000
Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 09:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:41 -0700
Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:52 +0000
Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0000
Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:56 -0700
Re: Trump vs shitv Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-08-11 01:22 -0700
Re: Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700
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