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Re: Trump the liar

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Trump the liar
Date 2018-08-20 10:48 -0700
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On 8/20/18 10:34 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
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>> Oh, so your claim is instead a "harm to society"?
>>
>> Prove it.
> 
> I already have... but people with an open borders agenda wouldn't

Nobody is arguing for an open border. Your claim here is a lie.

> admit to it; I showed you have an open borders agenda, so you won't
> be doing so.

You do not get to "show" his views... HE does. You LIED about his views 
and he noted you were lying.

You do this often, pretending to have the special entitlement to speak 
for others.

>>>> , particularly relevant to eighteen
>>>> years ago, when the rates of immigration were 10x higher despite
>>>> ~1/3rd as many enforcement resources.
>>>
>>> Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source you guys favor
>>> (Politifact), which could only claim that the spending of 300 billion annually
>>> on immigration related issues was "half true". The numbers could actually
>>> be larger than 300 billion once you start looking outward....
>>
>> Even if the numbers are off by as much as 50%,
> 
> Maybe they're low by more than that.

But you have no evidence to suggest that is the case. You just make 
things up in response to his evidence.

>>   it is still (a) more staff
>> & budget, and (b) a huge decline from the 2000 peak.
>>
>> BTW, since you started to use Politifact as a reliable source:
> 
> Nah, I'm using a source you should, were you consistent, accept.

You are using a source YOU have deemed unreliable (after all fact 
checking is a liberal thing to do).

>> "MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes
>> than U.S. citizens"
> 
> "less likely"? Can the language get any more wishy washy?

It is pretty damn clear... less likely is not as likely to. Duh.

> No matter, your obvious problem here is I don't believe Politifact
> (*especially* on this issue) , you do.

LOL! You run to Politifact when it serves your needs... but then reject 
it when it does not. And it not that you think one particular article is 
bad or something... you just play games.

>> <https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an issue.
>>>>
>>>> False.  I've merely responded to your claims that there's a huge
>>>> problem, including your claim that the CBP has been "feeble" in
>>>> addressing it.
>>>>
>>>> I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of proof.
>>>
>>> Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to?
>>
>> No one forced you to make you public statement.
> 
> Regarding that... AGAIN... my first paragraph to this thread:
> 
> "I initially disagreed with the wall, I'm still not fully convinced. 

You start with not accepting it... and then flip-flop:

> OTOH,
> once one takes into consideration the annual amount spent on illegal
> immigration, costs attempting to deal with drugs that are pouring, no
> **flooding** across the southern border, costs of dealing with drug
> addiction (including *loss of life, lost productivity, incarceration, etc.)
> a wall, which we all know won't be 100% effective, looks like it could
> be at least part of a better solution than our current, feeble attempts."

If you are really concerned about loss of life and injury, let us hear 
about your view on how to deal with the gun issue. I just toss that in 
because you would surely flip flop. Oh, all that death and harm is the 
cost of freedom or some other BS such as a civilian arms race.

> Notably, before I mentioned drugs, I first mentioned (as the bigger, more
> expensive problem) "illegal immigration"

But only on the Southern border... where darker skinned people tend to 
cross. Not the Northern border where all those people come to the US for 
health care, right? LOL!

> , but you went right past that.
> Despite my having written a better wall (and, again, I'd be fine with a
> better fence) "looks like it could be at least part of a better solution"
> and that it "won't be 100% effective", you flatly lied about what I "said":

So even you admit it will not be 100% effective. -hh has shown where the 
current measures have been, what, 90% effective. What are you looking for?

> "You've said that this all will somehow finally be solved simply by throwing
> even more money at it even though we've already spent $1T (and counting)." - hh
> 
> Your 'argument' is built on this idiotic straw man.

What you call evidence.

> Despite my having pointed to sources of data regarding U.S. overdose problems,
> which are *not* limited to fentanyl, you focused on fentanyl... and not just any,
> the Chinese stuff, to the exclusion of the stuff coming from Mexico (recall the
> article I pointed to, entitled: "Most fentanyl is seized on the border").

If most is already ceased you have your solution... though one you agree 
is not going to be 100%.

> Regarding those border seizures, they are what we can *see*, as opposed to what
> we *know* we can *not* see (tunnels, remote land drop offs, etc.).

Which a wall does not impact. Oh.

> Say, you don't
> supposed these might be reasons I "said" what I did in the first paragraph I wrote
> to this thread, do you (other reasons, which I have listed elsewhere, include
> water and air problems that no wall can deal with)? But you're not trolling or
> anything <eyeroll>. Or are you what I "said"? An idiot savant. Take your pick.

Ah, you are the victim, right? I mean how dare -hh use evidence to 
counter your ignorance!

>>> Even Doty, ...
>>
>> Meaningless, because your public statement was challenged in public,
>> there's readers who saw that, so they have no particular reason to
>> add their own "me too".
>>
>>
>>> ... that much is obvious to anyone without a 'no borders' agenda.
>>
>> YA false insinuation.
> 
> Said the guy who ran from this response (that shows you want open borders):

You lied about him wanting open borders. Now you want your lie to be 
used as evidence against HIM, not against YOU.

Remember, you lie a lot. You accuse everyone else of lying, including 
me, but you lie more in a day than you can show me, or I bet -hh, lying 
in a year.

> <8d05dec7-a0a1-4c6d-829f-b9418d9babfe@googlegroups.com>
> 
>> You've already been called out on this one.
> 
> And I've pointed to what you ran from more than once. For a real laugh,
> go read your response to that post, it makes things clear as a bell.

He did not "run" from your lie about him backing open borders, he called 
you out on your lie.

YOU are the one running from being called out.

But you are the victim, right?

>>>> This data increases the required burden of
>>>> proof upon the original claimant to make their case.
>>>
>>> LOL! Your bizarre idea ...
>>
>> Continued lack of substantiation noted.
> 
> Who would I need to substantiate it to? 

You have the burden of proof. Stop insisting you get some special 
entitlement to not back your claims, esp. when you are attacking people 
for not agreeing with you.

> I don't see anyone, other than
> you, arguing what you're arguing. Not even Doty, who seems to believe
> that I poo poo all usages of stats (I don't), is pushing what you are. Of
> course, he saw that you lied about what I "said", so...

You have repeatedly been called out on your lies and other crap. And 
multiple people have noted your bigoted crap.

Stop playing victim and take responsibility.

>>>> TL;DR:  the party (you) who made the claims of problems & inadequacy
>>>> has not objectively substantiated their claims.
>>>
>>> Hey airhead?! The U.S. gov't is paying Accenture ~$300 million
>>> to help find border patrol agents because they're having trouble
>>> finding the level mandated by Congress.
>>
>> Irrelevant, because it ignores how many more agents are *currently*
>> working versus how many back in 2000.
> 
> The fact that we have more now means, in your mind, that it can in no way
> be feeble relative to the problem? Do you realize how silly that argument is?
> Of course not, the numbers...

You already said you would accept a solution that is not 100%. So what 
level are you looking for?


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:58 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:11 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 22:54 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:59 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 10:42 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 16:31 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:15 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 09:32 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 13:00 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:24 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 16:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:41 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:43 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 21:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 21:47 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 22:49 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:37 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:06 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:38 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-22 06:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-22 10:21 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-22 11:33 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 11:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:04 -0700
                People who overdosed on drugs, and died. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-14 16:54 -0700
                Enertainment comes first and foremost. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-16 16:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:22 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:06 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:05 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:04 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:06 -0700
            Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:52 -0500
              Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:04 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 09:30 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:41 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:52 +0000
  Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0000
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:56 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
  Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-11 01:22 -0700
    Re: Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700

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