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Re: Trump the liar

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Trump the liar
Date 2018-08-14 19:38 +0000
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Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:14:18 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:39:20 AM UTC-6, chrisv wrote:
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Is it true that that clown threatened to shut-down the government, if
>>>>> he doesn't get funding for his Mexico wall?  Only an idiot would think
>>>>> the wall a good idea in the first place!
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, if I hear some guy saying that "we're going to build a
>>>> wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it", I think "this guy is an
>>>> idiot".
>>> 
>>> I initially disagreed with the wall, I'm still not fully convinced. 
>> 
>> Considering that most 'illegals' are Visa overstays
> 
> I agree that they appear to be overstays, but I'm one of the people that is 
> "skeptical"  of this 'stat'. I'm sure this will shock the hell outta you ;)

Skeptical thinking is fine. What would be shocking is if you backed your
view with evidence. 

> 
>> *and* these
>> entries are by gateways other than the Southwest border, even if 
>> the wall could be made 100% perfect, the absolute best that a wall
>> could theoretically do is a 40% reduction.
> 
> I'm good with 30%... 25% even.

Spending my money as you speak about having trouble putting food I’m on the
table. 

>>> OTOH, once one takes into consideration the annual amount spent
>>> on illegal immigration, costs attempting to deal with drugs that
>>> are pouring, no **flooding** across the southern border, costs
>>> of dealing with drug addiction (including *loss of life, lost
>>> productivity, incarceration, etc.) a wall, which we all know 
>>> won't be 100% effective, looks like it could be at least part
>>> of a better solution than our current, feeble attempts. 
>> 
>> Drug addiction and immigration are two independent topics which
>> are best to not be conflated.
> 
> I'm just pointing out that there are costs from both. 

And bigger costs with supporting the rich. Never see you cry about that
though. They are mostly white, though. 

> Notably, your article indicates the experts are merely"skeptical"
> Translation: like everyone else, they can't really say.
> 
> "Trump has said that building a wall between the United States and 
> Mexico would curb opioid use in America, and experts told PolitiFact '
> in October they’re skeptical a wall would have a drastic impact."
> 
> As much as I hate the idea of walls, I'm willing to give it a shot as our
> current 'wall' sucks... *totally*.
> 
>> Specifially, the current epidemic isn't from huge changes in the 
>> coke, heroin or pot from South/Latin America, but is with Opioids.  
> 
> A lot of heroin comes from down south... and the deaths (and addictions)
> have sure gone up:
> 
> "Between 2002 and 2013, the rate of heroin-related overdose deaths nearly quadrupled..."
> "45% of people who used heroin were also addicted to prescription opioid painkillers"
> <https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/heroin/>
> 
>> The primary sources of Opioids is (a) Big Pharma and China (the
>> latter is largely Fentanyl, shipped through the mail).
> 
> So? Mexico is a huge source for powdered and crack cocaine, heroin, meth, 
> *fentanyl, weed, etc. 

The only way you can stop your drug abuse is with a wall? 

>> Those who claim that a wall will stop this are "Pants on Fire" wrong:
> 
> Nothing can "stop" it, you can only hope to slow illegal immigration and 
> drug trafficking down. What I see is a concerted effort to sell the idea
> that a wall stands no chance of making much of a difference and it's
> pushed *hard* in the media. I don't buy any of the arguments I've seen,
> your mileage obviously varies.
> 
>> <https://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2018/feb/02/ann-coulter/would-wall-have-prevented-opioid-epidemic/>
>> 
>> 
>>>> But hey, that's just me.
>>> 
>>> Ok, 'just you', what about this stuff...
>>> 
>>> * "Nationally, ...
>> 
>> Now read your own quote for comprehension, specifically this part:
>> 
>>> Opioids – ranging from illegal street drugs like heroin to 
>>> prescription painkillers – have played an especially lethal 
>>> role: About two-thirds (66%) of the fatal overdoses in 2016 
>>> involved an opioid."
> 
> I 'comprehended' it the first time, doesn't change my mind based on
> other things I've read, as well <shrug>.
> 
>>> <http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/30/as-fatal-overdoses-rise-many-americans-see-drug-addiction-as-a-major-problem-in-their-community/>
>> 
>> Similarly,
>> 
>> "...nearly 80 percent of heroin users reported using prescription opioids 
>> prior to heroin," the Institute on Drug Abuse notes on a webpage 
>> explaining prescription opioids as a gateway drug."
>> 
>> <https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use>
>> 
>> FYI, a lot of the switch to heroin is economic (Opioids are more expensive).
> 
> That, and availability.
> 
>>> "...Many of the deaths are from an extremely potent opioid, fentanyl, 
>> which is trafficked from Mexico.[16]..."
>>> 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic>
>> 
>> Need to read the cite and understand.  For example, that was a drug
>> bust based on contraband brought in by air, not a southwest border
>> crossing.  Similarly, to have the insight to understand that there's 
>> not Fentanyl manufacturing facilities in Mexico, so these existing
>> drug cartels are just a "middleman" who see a profit incentive.
> 
> I understand that there are still a sizable number of deaths and addictions 
> from things other than fentanyl that do come across the southern border.
> 
>>> So what's your plan, stick with the status quo? You don't believe that
>>> it might be time to try something more aggressive?
>> 
>> The "more aggressive" approach has spent $1T (and counting)
> 
> I don't call that more aggressive, I call that 'business as usual'. Someone
> is making money off the U.S. taxpayer and it's not just the drug dealers.
> 
>> ...but
>> that's basically just law enforcement, so it doesn't include the 
>> additional $40B/yr being spent on jails for drug-related crimes.  
>> 
>> <https://elevationshealth.com/annual-cost-war-on-drugs/>
>> 
>>> Or do you think we should decriminalize all drugs? Open the
>>> border and take whatever additional hits there are to take?
>> 
>> Well, one definition of insanity is to repeat the same actions 
>> while expecting a different outcome...   /S
>> 
>> As others have pointed out, Portugal is taking a different 
>> approach which appears to be working...and at a lower cost.  
> 
> Portugal has 10 million people and is the size of Indiana. I'd build
> a wall long before I followed their lead.
> 
>> Another question that one should also ask is the demographics
>> of the epidemic's users to seek out what underlying social 
>> factors may be contributing factors.  What I believe I've 
>> read here is a big upswing in addicts amongst older, white & 
>> middle class who have increasingly been fiscally marginalized 
>> and stressed ... these are the casualties of income inequity.  
> 
> Ages 50-56 do pills, as opposed to heroin by users aged 20-35.
> From what I've read on this the last time I bothered, the latter was 
> on the upswing while the former is decreasing.
>

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          Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 08:43 -0700
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            Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 15:48 +0000
              Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:47 +0000
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                Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 13:24 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:51 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:01 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:02 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-14 07:39 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 06:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 08:15 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-08-14 15:21 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 09:26 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-15 00:35 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 08:44 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-14 12:07 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 10:21 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-14 13:19 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:29 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:38 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:54 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-16 08:53 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 07:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 08:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:54 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 10:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-16 21:24 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 19:11 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-16 22:38 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 10:55 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:47 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 06:16 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:06 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 11:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:38 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:00 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 14:28 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-08-15 00:24 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 17:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 18:22 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 18:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 19:04 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 19:48 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 20:09 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:23 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:44 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-15 11:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 11:48 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-15 13:17 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 13:54 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:28 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 04:11 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 04:27 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 06:29 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 06:47 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 08:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 09:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 09:55 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 12:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 13:09 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 13:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 14:04 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 14:22 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-16 15:05 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 15:26 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 16:17 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 16:44 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 17:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-17 03:57 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 07:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 07:38 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:11 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 08:32 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:13 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:34 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:48 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:21 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:29 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 15:22 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:43 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 23:46 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 20:03 -0400
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                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 20:33 -0400
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                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 07:37 -0700
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                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:59 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 10:42 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 16:31 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:15 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 09:32 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 13:00 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:24 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 16:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:41 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:43 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 21:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 21:47 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 22:49 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:37 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:06 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:38 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-22 06:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-22 10:21 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-22 11:33 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 11:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:04 -0700
                People who overdosed on drugs, and died. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-14 16:54 -0700
                Enertainment comes first and foremost. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-16 16:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:22 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:06 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:05 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:04 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:06 -0700
            Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:52 -0500
              Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:04 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 09:30 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:41 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:52 +0000
  Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0000
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:56 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
  Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-11 01:22 -0700
    Re: Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700

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