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Re: Deep Thought

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Deep Thought
Date	2018-07-30 18:18 +0200
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Am 28.07.2018 um 14:44 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:

>>>>> Where did the matter come from? What state was it in before the
>>>>> "big-bang"?
>>>> The matter that formed our Universe at the time of The Big Band came
>>>> from the two other Universes that smacked together at the time of The
>>>> Big Bank!!
>>>
>>> I wonder if a super cluster of hyper massive black holes that finally
>>> merges into one, can perhaps create new child universes within the
>>> resulting crazy giant black hole. This means that our own universe has
>>> many children.
>>
>> We could compare 'black hole' to 'length contraction' in 3D.
> 
> But that would be “not even wrong”.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong>
> 
>> Length contraction is actually only one dimensional (in SRT in 'x'
>> direction).
> 
> Length contraction in FLAT spacetime is observed in the direction of
> relative motion, whatever direction that is.  Typically (for simplicity) one
> chooses the coordinate system such that the x-axis of the coordinate system
> is parallel to the direction of motion, i.e. that the motion is in the +x or
> −x direction.
> 
I have told you recently, that I think SRT is wrong. So SRT is not among 
the axioms I would use.

You have actually said, that spacetime is curved - according to GR.

How do you match that with our own statement, that spacetime is flat?


>> Since the world is not one dimensional, we could try a 3d version of
>> relativistic shrinking.
>>
>> The reason for deformation is a Lorentz transform,
> 
> No, the underlying reason is the observed constancy of the speed of light.
> The Lorentz transformation (as we understand it NOW) describes the
> CONSEQUENCES of that MATHEMATICALLY.

You cannot proof physics mathematically.

Spacetime might be flat or curved, but that is not a mathematical 
question, but one, we should decide by observation of nature.

> 
>> caused by high velocity
> 
> By ANY NON-ZERO RELATIVE velocity v.  The Lorentz transformation
> of the coordinate of space in the direction of relative motion is
> 
>     x' = γ (x − v t)    (1).
> 
> We consider two spatially separated events
> 
>    e₁ = (x₁, t₁) ≡ (x₁', t₁')
>    e₂ = (x₂, t₂) ≡ (x₂', t₂').
> 
> By application of (1) and the assumption of linearity regarding uniform
> motion and the passage of time, it follows trivially:
> 
>    x₁' = γ (x₁ − v t₁)
>    x₂' = γ (x₂ − v t₂)
> 
>    ∆x  = x₂  − x₁
>    ∆t  = t₂  − t₁
>    ∆x' = x₂' − x₁'
> 
> → ∆x' = γ (∆x − v ∆t)

Again you have only proven, that physics education produces nothing like 
brainwashed zombies.

> 
> When we measure lengths we measure the distance in space between end points
> AT THE SAME TIME:
> 
>     t₁ = t₂
> → ∆t  = 0
> 
> → ∆x' = γ ∆x
>    ∆x  = ∆x'∕γ
> 
>    γ  := 1∕√(1 − v²∕c²) > 1 if v ≠ 0.
> 
> → ∆x  < ∆x'                if v ≠ 0. ∎
> 
>> and a changing axis of time.
> 
> There is no “changing axis of time”.  You have STILL not even understood
> SPECIAL relativity.

Sure I do.

But again you argue, that spacetime might not be curved, because SRT 
forbids.

THAT is WRONG.

Not because of the statement itself, but because you cannot tell nature 
what to do.

...

TH

Thread

Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-22 14:26 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-23 16:43 +0200
    Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-23 18:08 +0200
      Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-23 21:45 -0700
        Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-24 11:42 +0200
          Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 11:21 -0700
          Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-24 16:52 -0700
            Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-25 22:31 +0200
              Re: Deep Thought mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-25 20:23 -0700
              Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-25 23:36 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:00 -0400
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-26 11:23 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 12:15 -0700
              Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-25 23:56 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-26 00:00 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-27 17:01 +1000
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-27 10:38 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-28 10:38 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:29 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-28 12:00 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-28 14:44 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-07-30 18:18 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-30 18:37 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-01 22:38 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-03 23:33 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-04 11:03 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-04 13:15 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-05 18:48 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-05 21:52 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-06 19:34 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-06 19:56 +0200
                Re: Deep Thought Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-06 22:26 +0200
                Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 15:59 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-12 16:15 -0700
                Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 16:30 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-13 21:20 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-13 21:30 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-13 21:37 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-13 23:42 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-14 00:36 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 00:21 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-28 00:56 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-08-28 19:23 +1000
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 00:01 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 23:58 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 11:09 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:24 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 13:39 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 03:43 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-29 20:43 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-31 00:52 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 13:58 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 03:48 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-29 18:09 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-30 04:36 +0200
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 21:12 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 21:17 -0700
                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 14:49 -0700
        Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-24 21:19 +0200
          Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 13:04 -0700
            Re: Deep Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-25 03:36 +0200
              Re: Deep Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-24 22:44 -0700
                Re: Deep Thought pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-25 17:52 -0700
          Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-24 16:41 -0700
          Re: Deep Thought "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-24 16:54 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 11:05 -0400
  Re: Deep Thought "C. Deifir" <cdf@dfr.net.inv> - 2018-07-23 21:18 +0100
    Re: Deep Thought mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-23 18:12 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-07-23 21:49 -0700
  Re: Deep Thought consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-07-24 13:28 -0700

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