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Re: Qbasic

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Qbasic
Date 2016-02-13 16:13 +0100
Organization Me, Myself and I
Message-ID <fqt3pc-l33.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink)
References <n93sqq$ug7$3@dont-email.me> <vSrvy.55001$v37.35656@fx10.iad> <f3a17520-f710-4750-9fac-fb1211f81547@googlegroups.com> <630582847.477066945.696306.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>

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In article <630582847.477066945.696306.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
Peter Flass  <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
><hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 4:09:48 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> It wasn't a mistake, it was a smart decision.  You want to run 30 year
>>> old software, buy a 30-year old CPU.
>> 
>> Just as an aside, in the mainframe world, we routinely ran 30 or even
>> 40 year old software.  The 30 y/o stuff runs native mode.  If the 40 y/o
>> stuff was written for S/360, it will run native mode. If it was written
>> for a prior generation of hardware, it would run under emulation.
>> 
>> 
>
>Most companies try to develop products that give the customer what he
>wants. Microsoft develops products that give the customer what microsoft
>wants.

Microsoft is now another Nokia or Ericsson. Fitting with the merger.

Nokia and Ericsson were depending heavier and heavier on their reseller
networks, and when these turned into large mobile operators and became
rather few in number the power game turned. Nokia discovered that they
couldn't do a thing with their mainstream products that weren't firmly
anchored with the operators. Never mind the end users. 

Their customers were around 30 in number for a 95% percentile and 
made increasing demands back to fit a revenue model that fitted the operators, 
not the end users.

Enter the smartphones, to challenge the operators. The operators demanded
the same from Apple and Google, only to be laughed out the door. It took
Apple and Google a few months to set up an alternate sales network. This
isn't hard when you have the hottest products.

Microsoft is getting a doze of this now. Their customers are the large
hardware vendors. They make huge demands back. The driver division in
Microsoft is a political hellhole that burns through people, but they
are rewarded with other positions after 18 months tenure there. This is
because they simply have to accommodate all the vendors weird quirks
in their hardware and keep windows stable. It is a tall order, and they
are doing a remarkable job, all considering,

But this has wider implications. Windows cannot be too big a success
on xpods or xphones without alienating this channel, which is the lifeblood
of the Microsoft revenue stream. Just as Nokia couldn't make a phone 
that was smart independently of the operator networks.

So both Microsoft, Nokia and Ericsson listened to their customers, and
ignored their customers customer. Like IBM said; if you own your customers
customers you can ignore your customers. 

-- mrr

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                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-16 15:55 +0000
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                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 12:05 -0600
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-20 13:47 -0600
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 14:21 -0600
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:06 -0600
                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 18:57 +0000
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                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-18 06:25 +0000
                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-18 14:17 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-18 11:33 -0600
                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-18 17:41 +0000
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-18 14:54 -0800
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
                Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 20:14 -0500
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-18 20:54 -0600
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                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-13 12:24 -0600
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                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 07:43 -0700
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                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 08:48 -0700
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 14:17 -0800
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                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
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                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-02-13 23:18 +0100
                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-13 17:25 -0600
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                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-14 06:36 -0800
                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 08:48 -0700
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                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
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                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
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                Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-16 20:30 -0600
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                Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-13 17:25 +0100
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