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Re: Qbasic

From "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Qbasic
Date 2016-02-14 04:44 +1100
Message-ID <di98cdFqrmmU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References <n93sqq$ug7$3@dont-email.me> <vSrvy.55001$v37.35656@fx10.iad> <f3a17520-f710-4750-9fac-fb1211f81547@googlegroups.com> <630582847.477066945.696306.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <fqt3pc-l33.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>

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"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
news:fqt3pc-l33.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article 
> <630582847.477066945.696306.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Peter Flass  <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>><hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 4:09:48 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It wasn't a mistake, it was a smart decision.  You want to run 30 year
>>>> old software, buy a 30-year old CPU.
>>>
>>> Just as an aside, in the mainframe world, we routinely ran 30 or even
>>> 40 year old software.  The 30 y/o stuff runs native mode.  If the 40 y/o
>>> stuff was written for S/360, it will run native mode. If it was written
>>> for a prior generation of hardware, it would run under emulation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Most companies try to develop products that give the customer what he
>>wants. Microsoft develops products that give the customer what microsoft
>>wants.
>
> Microsoft is now another Nokia or Ericsson. Fitting with the merger.
>
> Nokia and Ericsson were depending heavier and heavier on their reseller
> networks, and when these turned into large mobile operators and became
> rather few in number the power game turned. Nokia discovered that they
> couldn't do a thing with their mainstream products that weren't firmly
> anchored with the operators. Never mind the end users.
>
> Their customers were around 30 in number for a 95% percentile and
> made increasing demands back to fit a revenue model that fitted the 
> operators,
> not the end users.
>
> Enter the smartphones, to challenge the operators. The operators demanded
> the same from Apple and Google, only to be laughed out the door. It took
> Apple and Google a few months to set up an alternate sales network. This
> isn't hard when you have the hottest products.
>
> Microsoft is getting a doze of this now. Their customers are the large
> hardware vendors. They make huge demands back. The driver division in
> Microsoft is a political hellhole that burns through people, but they
> are rewarded with other positions after 18 months tenure there. This is
> because they simply have to accommodate all the vendors weird quirks
> in their hardware and keep windows stable. It is a tall order, and they
> are doing a remarkable job, all considering,
>
> But this has wider implications. Windows cannot be too big a success
> on xpods or xphones without alienating this channel, which is the 
> lifeblood
> of the Microsoft revenue stream. Just as Nokia couldn't make a phone
> that was smart independently of the operator networks.

That line doesn’t explain why Nokia was so successful before
Apple got involved in the mobile/cell phone market.

> So both Microsoft, Nokia and Ericsson listened to their customers, and
> ignored their customers customer. Like IBM said; if you own your customers
> customers you can ignore your customers.

That was never Nokia's problem.

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