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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 |
| Date | 2018-06-16 17:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <folp73Fb36qU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <aa9449c7-a7be-4cf2-a74f-f5a0c1dcee68@googlegroups.com> <fol72eF7utmU1@mid.individual.net> <010bc350-04b4-4eef-bdeb-98f0a1f9067d@googlegroups.com> <foldsqF97f7U1@mid.individual.net> <bf85a5f1-6508-4ad5-a955-cb28cb21b072@googlegroups.com> |
On 6/16/18 4:12 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 3:31:10 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >> On 6/16/18 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >>> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:34:42 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >>> >>>> Without going line by line in your games: >>> >>> No games needed... and no one needs to go line by line on your 1 line statement >>> .... that you written dozens of statements about now ;) >>> >>>> I *still* find it surprising, >>>> given Sandman's impressive programming skills, that the OUTPUT of his >>>> bot is, in my view, far inferior to my AIM bot or your Usenet bot. >>> >>> Define "inferior" where it's not doing what he intended it to do. >> >> If we want to get into ratings we can do so. This will be somewhat subjective, but here is how I would rate them off hand. >> >> Say 1-10 in these two categories: >> >> A) Responding to what was said >> B) Giving a human-like response >> >> With A (Responding to what was said): >> >> Sandman: 3 >> At least as far as I can see, his bot DOES respond to sentences, but has little or nothing to do with the sentence it responds to. The only "understanding" shown is known what a sentence is, not content. It also repeats a LOT. But it does break that content up and respond, so 3 instead of 1. >> >> Carroll: 2 >> As far as I can tell your bot does not respond to ANYTHING that was said, it just plops in new content at the end. I have seen you talk about it giving customized responses so I rate a 2 instead of a 1 based on perhaps misplaced trust in you. If you have examples of your bot doing better I would like to see it. >> >> Snit: 6 >> Here is where mine really shines compared to what you two do... with the keyword checking, the rating of "reaction" scores for different people, the checking to see if it mentions the bot, etc. it did quite well. Of course it has nothing even approaching AI... so I would not put it any higher than this. >> >> With B (Giving a human-like response): >> >> Sandman: 1 >> His comments are nothing like what a human would say. They are just random insults and links. It also posts numbers so he can log his trolling or whatever. Completely useless and absurd... yet Sandman has claimed there is supposed to be value and meaning to what is basically arbitrary nonsense. >> >> Carroll: 5 >> Your comments are reasonably human-like. Heck, in a FB group people found your posts where you trolled me and they thought it was an actual person (albeit an insane one). With that said, it does repeat a lot of posts, if not exactly close to it. I have seen it repost things *I* have written with little alteration. That gets you marked down (even if you are doing so to play victim or whatever). >> >> Snit: 6 >> People were sometimes convinced my bot was a human for hours at times, and it could handle a range of topics. It did not come close to passing a Turing test but it was pretty darn good. As I have said the best AIM bot I saw. >> >> This gives us scores of: >> >> Sandman: 4 >> Carroll: 7 >> Snit: 12 >> >> Now this is just my own rating... and it is all approximate. Maybe you would rate them in other ways or with different scores. What is interesting is how the scores there are opposite of how good of programmers I would say we are: Sandman is better than either of us and you are better than me. Maybe NOT thinking like a programmer offers benefits for this type of work. >> >> Even if you disagree with my ratings, though, do you see where this is NOT putting down Sandman's programming skills -- it is noting how odd it seems that his bot is so bad considering his programming skills are better than ours. You not only misunderstood my comment about his skills, you got my view completely backward. > OK... > > <http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html> > > See? No one shares your opinion of your behavior. Seriously, why just snip and ignore the whole conversation? Why not answer if you *finally* get why I find it surprising that Sandman's bot is so poorly done given his programming skills. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-04 14:16 +0000
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 07:48 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 09:20 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 09:59 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:10 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:12 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:52 -0700
Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:35 -0700
Re: Snit: Please explain Steve Carrol and the police. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:42 -0700
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Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-14 08:58 +0000
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 08:44 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 09:07 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 11:59 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 13:07 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 13:24 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 14:56 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 16:21 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 17:12 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 18:03 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:30 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-15 11:24 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 09:54 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 10:06 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 10:15 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 10:31 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 10:47 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 11:05 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 11:22 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 11:32 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:02 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 12:13 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:24 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 12:34 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 13:56 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 14:31 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 16:12 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 17:44 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 20:30 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 21:03 -0700
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-16 21:41 +0000
Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 14:51 -0700
Re: Re: Snit: Please explain Steve Carrol and the police. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-04 06:07 +0000
Re: Snit: Please explain Steve Carrol and the police. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:42 -0700
Re: Re: Snit: Please explain Steve Carrol and the police. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-04 12:53 +0000
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