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Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14
Date 2018-06-16 12:34 -0700
Message-ID <fol72eF7utmU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 6/16/18 12:24 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:13:18 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 6/16/18 12:02 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>>>> Ah, even with the paragraph above, written to explain the simple
>>>>>> sentence you failed to understand,
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's so "simple" then why are you explaining it instead of leaving it be and
>>>>> letting the reader decide I failed to comprehend what I'd read?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's what you miss:
>>>>> The more you 'explain' it, the more it looks like you agree with my assessment ;)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sandman is a programmer. One of skill considerably greater than mine.
>>>> One who's skill I respect. One who has shown he generally knows what he
>>>> is talking about in terms of programming.
>>>
>>> Opinions a reader would never suspect from you after reading your statement.
>>
>> Whom else are you speaking for?
> 
> Why would anyone suspect you'd ever give him programming kudos after
> reading  something like that?
> 
>>>> Given that, it is surprising
>>>> that his auto-posting bot is so crappy.
>>>
>>> An opinion you hold by yourself, that should tell you something.
>>
>> Whom else are you speaking for?
> 
> Who has stated otherwise? That there is a ton of evidence no one would
> also speaks volumes.
> 
>>>> If you disagree and think his bot's output is somehow amazingly
>>>> spectacular, or merely just better than what you and I produced, that is
>>>> fine with me.
>>>
>>> I'm saying the output isn't relevant.
>>
>> Given how the output is what I am talking about, it is extremely relevant!
> 
> Not to programming it isn't.
> 
>>> Look at how you're generating
>>> text responses as an example, as compared to how my lame ones
>>> (because I haven't given consideration to the exact output) are
>>> bing generated. No one will look at spaghetti code and claim it's
>>> better than structured code unless they have no idea about code.
>>>
>>>> If you wish to misinterpret my comments and say that I am
>>>> putting down his programming skills I will, and have, correct you but I
>>>> cannot force a horse to drink, I can only bring him to water.
>>>>
>>>> If you blame me for your failure to understand that is on you
>>>
>>> Could be that.. could be that you didn't convey what you intended.
>>> I'd argue the latter, given that you're spending so much time trying
>>> to 'explain' it.
>> Ah, you repeatedly fail to understand and use my patience in explaining
>> it to you as "evidence" that I did not mean what I meant.
>>
>> Oy.
> 
> Indeed.
> 

Without going line by line in your games: I *still* find it surprising, 
given Sandman's impressive programming skills, that the OUTPUT of his 
bot is, in my view, far inferior to my AIM bot or your Usenet bot.

If you disagree and think his programming skills are not as impressive 
as I do, or if you think his bot output is more impressive than I find 
it, that is fine by me.

As far as your efforts to blame me for your misunderstanding, your 
claims that my patience with you is support of your misunderstanding 
being correct, and your repeat claims to speak for unnamed others, I am 
not going to follow you down that rabbit hole every time you beg me to 
and then dodge the questions I ask you about your claims.

Have a great day!

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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                Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-04 14:16 +0000
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 07:48 -0700
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                Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-14 08:58 +0000
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                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 12:34 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 13:56 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 14:31 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 16:12 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 17:44 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 20:30 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 21:03 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-16 21:41 +0000
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 14:51 -0700
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