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Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14
Date 2018-06-16 14:31 -0700
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On 6/16/18 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:34:42 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> 
>> Without going line by line in your games:
> 
> No games needed... and no one needs to go line by line on your 1 line statement
> .... that you written dozens of statements about now ;)
> 
>> I *still* find it surprising,
>> given Sandman's impressive programming skills, that the OUTPUT of his
>> bot is, in my view, far inferior to my AIM bot or your Usenet bot.
> 
> Define "inferior" where it's not doing what he intended it to do.

If we want to get into ratings we can do so. This will be somewhat 
subjective, but here is how I would rate them off hand.

Say 1-10 in these two categories:

A) Responding to what was said
B) Giving a human-like response

With A (Responding to what was said):

Sandman: 3
At least as far as I can see, his bot DOES respond to sentences, but has 
little or nothing to do with the sentence it responds to. The only 
"understanding" shown is known what a sentence is, not content. It also 
repeats a LOT. But it does break that content up and respond, so 3 
instead of 1.

Carroll: 2
As far as I can tell your bot does not respond to ANYTHING that was 
said, it just plops in new content at the end. I have seen you talk 
about it giving customized responses so I rate a 2 instead of a 1 based 
on perhaps misplaced trust in you. If you have examples of your bot 
doing better I would like to see it.

Snit: 6
Here is where mine really shines compared to what you two do... with the 
keyword checking, the rating of "reaction" scores for different people, 
the checking to see if it mentions the bot, etc. it did quite well. Of 
course it has nothing even approaching AI... so I would not put it any 
higher than this.

With B (Giving a human-like response):

Sandman: 1
His comments are nothing like what a human would say. They are just 
random insults and links. It also posts numbers so he can log his 
trolling or whatever. Completely useless and absurd... yet Sandman has 
claimed there is supposed to be value and meaning to what is basically 
arbitrary nonsense.

Carroll: 5
Your comments are reasonably human-like. Heck, in a FB group people 
found your posts where you trolled me and they thought it was an actual 
person (albeit an insane one). With that said, it does repeat a lot of 
posts, if not exactly close to it. I have seen it repost things *I* have 
written with little alteration. That gets you marked down (even if you 
are doing so to play victim or whatever).

Snit: 6
People were sometimes convinced my bot was a human for hours at times, 
and it could handle a range of topics. It did not come close to passing 
a Turing test but it was pretty darn good. As I have said the best AIM 
bot I saw.

This gives us scores of:

Sandman: 4
Carroll: 7
Snit: 12

Now this is just my own rating... and it is all approximate. Maybe you 
would rate them in other ways or with different scores. What is 
interesting is how the scores there are opposite of how good of 
programmers I would say we are: Sandman is better than either of us and 
you are better than me. Maybe NOT thinking like a programmer offers 
benefits for this type of work.

Even if you disagree with my ratings, though, do you see where this is 
NOT putting down Sandman's programming skills -- it is noting how odd it 
seems that his bot is so bad considering his programming skills are 
better than ours. You not only misunderstood my comment about his 
skills, you got my view completely backward.



-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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                Re: Re: Snit: Please explain Steve Carrol and the police. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-04 06:51 +0000
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                Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-04 14:16 +0000
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 07:48 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 09:20 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 09:59 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:10 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:12 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:52 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 448 / 2018-06-04 Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:35 -0700
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                Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-14 08:58 +0000
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 08:44 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 09:07 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 11:59 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 13:07 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 13:24 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 14:56 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 16:21 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 17:12 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-14 18:03 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:30 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-15 11:24 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 09:54 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 10:06 -0700
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                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 10:31 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 10:47 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 11:05 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 11:22 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 11:32 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:02 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 12:13 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:24 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 12:34 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 13:56 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 14:31 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 16:12 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 17:44 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 20:30 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 21:03 -0700
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-16 21:41 +0000
                Re: Snit digest 449 / 2018-06-14 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-16 14:51 -0700
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