Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman

From	Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman
Date	2018-05-13 19:08 +1000
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On 13/05/2018 9:44 AM, benj wrote:
> On 5/12/2018 5:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/05/2018 4:47 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2018 10:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>>>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little 
>>>>> scientific
>>>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole 
>>>>> thing
>>>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>>>> scientific evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is 
>>>>> increasing, not
>>>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the 
>>>>> number
>>>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says 
>>>>> Coleman.
>>>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, 
>>>>> there has
>>>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the 
>>>>> future,"
>>>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant 
>>>>> warming or
>>>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything 
>>>> he says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out wrong.
>>>>
>>> So in your lib world it's all about titles and papers?
>>
>> **Not at all. Just stating the fact, that Coleman was a TV weatherman. 
>> He was not a scientist.
> 
> So there was no innuendo implied, right?

**Again: Just the facts. Coleman was a TV weatherman, who knew very 
little about climatology. Much like you.

  How gullible do you think
> people are?

**Well, I KNOW how gullible you are. Other people? Don't know.


  Nevermind, we can see what you think.
> 
>>   Coleman can never
>>> say the truth because hes a weatherman?
>>
>> **He COULD, but he didn't. He was an idiot. A lot like you, in fact.
> 
> So your "scientific argument, still comes back to the old Lib standby 
> calling people who don't agree with your stupid and trying to censor 
> them. Nothing new here, move along,

**Nope. I cite science, you cite nothing much of importance. You blather 
on about political claptrap and people who know little about science. 
It's irrelevant. Stick to the science.


> 
> 
>>   But Climatologists ALWAYS tell
>>> the truth about climate because of their title?
>>
>> **I am confident that climatologists, like all humans, do not always 
>> tell the truth about all things. However, climatologists do have a 
>> professional reputation to protect (unlike yourself and Coleman), so 
>> they will, as far as they can, ensure that what they do say is based 
>> on hard science.
> 
> I'm confident that they have families and homes and cars and debts and 
> their income depends on getting those "climate change" grants.

**What is a ""climate change" grant"? Please be more specific.

  I'm
> confident they are all so "professional" that they are never influenced 
> by money.

**Oh, I KNOW they are influenced by money. Litzen is famous for 
accepting thousands of Dollar per DAY to espouse lies about AGW theory. 
No doubt there are others who have sold out.

  Funny they all got caught in emails talking about lying about
> the science to make the "sale". Sergio can fill you in.

**Oh, he'll blather on about some stolen emails taken out of context. I 
get that. Like you, he will do anything except dealing with the hard 
science and the facts. SOP.

> 
>>
>>    Oh that's right in Oz
>>> you still believe in Kings and Queens.
>>
>> **Believe in fact? Certainly. Kings and Queens exist on this planet. 
>> Only a complete moron would deny their existence. Do you deny their 
>> existence?
> 
> Do you believe in the principles of Monarchy?

**Kings and Queens exist. Fact. How can I not "believe in the principles 
of Monarchy"? A fact is a fact. They exist.


  That some people are
> better and smarter than others and that for the good of all humanity 
> they have a DUTY to tell lesser being what is best for them and force 
> them to do it?

**No. People should be presented with the facts. What they do with those 
facts, is up to them. You willfully ignore the facts surrounding AGW 
theory.

  Of course you do. You are a lefty lib.

**There you go again: Banging on about politics, when you can't deal 
with the science. You're WAY out of your depth here. You know that, 
don't you?

> 
> 
>>>
>>> So you realize just how STOOOPID your statement is?
>>
>> **Well, I sure realise just how moronic your statements are. As does 
>> everyone else here.
> 
> So as a lib you feel obliged to speak for "every one else here". WE all 
> bow to your self-appointed superiority.

**As well you should. Your intellect is well below room temperature (in 
Celcius). Presently 18 degrees here in Australia.

> 
>>> In science truth is true because measurements show it correct,
>>> not because of the authority of the person saying it.
>>
>> **Correct. Coleman made easily refutable claims. The science proved 
>> him wrong. Just as it proves your claims wrong.
> 
> I already gave the temperature data that proves Colemen Correct.

**No, you did not. You failed miserably.


  ARe you
> so stupid as to Reject GISS data?

**Nope. You misread the data. Like you always do.


  or are you so political you are
> willing to argue that .003 degree a year is global warming so therefor 
> Coleman was "wrong" when he said there was none? Which is it counselor?

**Since 1880, the average temperature of this planet has risen by 
approximately 1 degree C. It is rising at a faster rate than before.

> 
>>   Who says it and
>>> their titles are totally irrelevant.
>>
>> **Sure. Fortunately, science proved what an idiot Coleman was.
> 
> Sciebce proves you are a sold out shill (probably paid for your "work" 
> here while I am not) And you simply defend those sold out "scienctists" 
> (many of who are NOT scientists at all but officers of trade 
> organizations and political organizations) and their tax agenda. Since 
> the scheme is fraud you know that that makes you.

**WTF are you smoking?

> 
>>   You lib journalists never seem to
>>> get this point. You are too busy being minions to authority.
>>
>>
>> **Nope. Just the facts. Always the facts. Coleman was proven to be 
>> wrong many, many times. Just like you.
> 
> You mean all you squealling warmballers SAY he was wrong.

**Well, no. ALL the climatologists PROVED that he was wrong. Irrefutably 
wrong. Only complete morons defend Coleman.

  You cannot
> deny the "Hiatus"! Shit you crooks even gave it that name so you could 
> say warming hasn't stopped just "paused".

**Bullshit. There has been no "pause". We are experiencing warmer 
conditions each decade.


  You think these political
> tricks are not noticed by anyone?

**You're the one who resorts to politics. I cite science. Nothing more.

  Why did you have to go to "climate
> change"?

**Please re-phrase your question so that I can answer.


> 
> So you could say you were "right" no matter what climate does. Obviously 
> the "hiatus" scared the shit out of all you crooks as you saw your scam 
> failing right in front of your eyes.

**What "hiatus"? The planet has warmed since 1998. Or have you failed to 
realise that fact?

> 
> Here is 12 years as part of what coleman said had no warming.
> 
> http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm
> 
> Can you deny it?

**Haven't read it. I'll take a look tomorrow. I bet it is bullshit, 
typical of your usual submissions.

  Are you so dishonest and ignorant as to assert that
> there is CO2 (Which was rapidly rising the whole time) driving warming 
> while the temperature stays the same?

**Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are 
others. There are also different things that drive cooling. But you've 
been told this before. Many times.

  This is what Coleman said and you
> say it's a lie.

**Like a broken clock, Coleman may have been correct once in awhile. 
However, he lied so often that anything he said was of dubious value. 
Much like your words.

  Obviously either YOU or Dr Hansen is a liar. Coleman
> simply reported science FACT. But you do politics, not science, right?

**Coleman lied and distorted the facts.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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