Re: clock rate

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: clock rate
Date	2016-08-20 16:10 +1000
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On 19/08/2016 3:27 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 10:41:21 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else
> wrote:
>> On 19/08/2016 9:08 AM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
>>> I station a clock a few meters above the ground.  From somewhere
>>> above, I drop an identical clock so that it passes by the
>>> stationary clock.  At the instant it passes, as a matter of
>>> principle, which clock will have the faster time rate?
>>>
>>
>> In the frame of which clock?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> xxein:  Which clock frame would you like?
>
> If you are going by the adage that passing space ships will see each
> other's clock going slow, I would ask for experimental evidence of
> that.  As far as I know, it is only theory that says/predicts that's
> what happens.  That is the point of my post.  Does/can GR predict a
> wrong result?
>

Before you could determine whether the result is wrong, you'd have to do 
the experiment.

I'm not sure how you'd go about measuring the rate of clocks during an 
instant.

We accept GR as being correct because it's been verified in experiments 
that are practical to perform, there being sufficient in number and 
diversity of them that if GR were wrong, it would have been falsified. 
It's not reasonable to refuse to accept a theory just because 
experiments relating to one's pet scenario are impractical.

"Place a clock on each of two 100 tonne exactly spherical boulders. Now 
make those boulders move at 0.99c relative to each other. Compare the 
clocks. Too difficult? Then your theory is wrong."

Sylvia.

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clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-18 16:08 -0700
  Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-18 18:48 -0500
    Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-18 19:15 -0700
      Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-19 08:23 -0500
        Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 11:34 -0700
          Re: clock rate "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 11:39 -0700
            Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 13:11 -0700
              Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 20:40 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 07:08 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 23:29 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 08:48 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 02:10 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 11:29 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 02:48 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 13:16 +0200
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 13:25 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 16:19 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 00:39 -0500
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 07:52 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 07:52 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 07:55 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:07 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 09:28 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 18:50 +0200
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 10:23 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:31 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 11:41 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 08:38 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:01 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:11 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 10:19 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 19:29 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:43 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 10:40 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:47 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 08:49 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:34 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 09:58 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:42 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 08:53 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 02:46 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 13:20 +0200
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 09:13 -0500
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:56 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 12:29 -0500
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:37 -0700
              Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-20 15:08 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 15:42 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 10:20 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:28 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 11:44 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:56 -0700
                Re: clock rate "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 13:09 -0700
                Re: clock rate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-21 13:43 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 13:57 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 15:07 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 17:05 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-22 11:48 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-22 13:58 -0500
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-22 17:26 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-23 05:00 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-23 08:42 -0500
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-23 09:00 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-24 14:43 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-25 10:22 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-25 11:31 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-25 12:11 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-25 17:31 -0500
              Re: clock rate "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 03:11 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:47 -0700
  Re: clock rate Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-19 12:41 +1000
    Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-18 22:27 -0700
      Re: clock rate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 07:47 -0500
        Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 11:21 -0700
      Re: clock rate Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-20 16:10 +1000
        Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 01:34 -0700
  Re: clock rate Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-08-19 07:47 +0200
  Re: clock rate Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 10:16 -0700
    Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:02 -0700

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