Re: clock rate

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Date	2016-08-20 15:08 -0700
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: clock rate
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xxein1@att.net wrote:
> 
> On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-4, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:34:55 AM UTC-7, xxe...@att.net wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 9:23:56 AM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> > > > On 8/18/2016 9:15 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 7:49:03 PM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> > > > >> On 8/18/2016 6:08 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
> > > > >>> I station a clock a few meters above the ground.  From somewhere
> > > > >>> above, I drop an identical clock so that it passes by the stationary
> > > > >>> clock.  At the instant it passes, as a matter of principle, which
> > > > >>> clock will have the faster time rate?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> compare velocity vectors, if at same altitude, the rotational velocity
> > > > >> by earth is the same, however the falling clock is going faster
> > > > >> vertically.  therefore the faster one is the stationary one.
> > > > >
> > > > > xxein:  Let's nix the rotation.  A non-rotating Earth for whomever else
> > > > > might want to give it a try.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would you be willing to make a sizable wager that a direct experiment
> > > > > will prove you to be correct?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > doent it depend upon how far "somewhere above" is ?   if your 100,000
> > > > miles above, then the moving clock has a huge velocity, but if it is 1
> > > > micron above, relitive to the rest of the universe.
> > > >
> > > > send the money to makesergiorich@paypal.com
> > >
> > > xxein:  No it doesn't depend on far up it starts it's vertical motion.  It is
> > > still going down past the stationary clock with a velocity.  The question is
> > > whether it will have a faster or slower time rate when it passes the
> > > stationary clock.  What if it was going up?
> > >
> > > You have no means to calculate an answer, so don't bet blindly.
> >
> >   Are you assuming the Earth's gravitational field has some direct effect that wouldn't exist if the "not moving" clock were just sitting in space far from any other massive body?
> >
> >
> >   Mark L. Fergerson
> 
> xxein:  Yes.  Haven't you ever heard of gravitational time dilation?  I read around extensively and find that, other than a few obvious empirical tidbits and 'how to calculate' formulas, not much is really known about the deeper science of gravity.
> 
> About 30 yrs ago I became self-forced to tie up a bunch of loose ends (mostly and especially about gravity) and I stumbled into creating a model that has worked ever since.  I haven't come across anything quite like it either.  Einstein's model (curved space-time) is serviceable but is lacking the means of further proper incite.  At best, it leads around rather than to.  Like an outside without an inside.  Yes!  I can be very critical.  How and where does Einstein address the simple question I p
> 
> In my model, you don't have to search around for such answers.  They're just there like the back of your hand.  Regretfully, my knowledge of calculus math is almost non-existent so I can't effectively formalize for the gods of science.  I can say that it will be simplified and given new meaning.  For this I need outside help.  I can be reached by email but don't bother unless you are willing to co-author a paper.  Especially don't contact me with criticism for something you know nothing about.



Everyone knows...you're the better model, xx(ein)Stein.


If the two clocks are falling towards the earth...at the sametime..the earth is falling up at the sametime towards the clock. Did you figure that in?

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clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-18 16:08 -0700
  Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-18 18:48 -0500
    Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-18 19:15 -0700
      Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-19 08:23 -0500
        Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 11:34 -0700
          Re: clock rate "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 11:39 -0700
            Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 13:11 -0700
              Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 20:40 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 07:08 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 23:29 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 08:48 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 02:10 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 11:29 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 02:48 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 13:16 +0200
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 13:25 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 16:19 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 00:39 -0500
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 07:52 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 07:52 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 07:55 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:07 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 09:28 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 18:50 +0200
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 10:23 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:31 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 11:41 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 08:38 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:01 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:11 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 10:19 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 19:29 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:43 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 10:40 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:47 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 08:49 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:34 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 09:58 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:42 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 08:53 +0200
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 02:46 -0700
                Re: clock rate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 13:20 +0200
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 09:13 -0500
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:56 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 12:29 -0500
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:37 -0700
              Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-20 15:08 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 15:42 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 10:20 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:28 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 11:44 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:56 -0700
                Re: clock rate "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 13:09 -0700
                Re: clock rate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-21 13:43 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 13:57 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 15:07 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 17:05 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-22 11:48 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-22 13:58 -0500
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-22 17:26 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-23 05:00 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-23 08:42 -0500
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-23 09:00 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-24 14:43 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-25 10:22 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-25 11:31 -0700
                Re: clock rate The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-25 12:11 -0700
                Re: clock rate Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-25 17:31 -0500
              Re: clock rate "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 03:11 -0700
                Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 08:47 -0700
  Re: clock rate Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-19 12:41 +1000
    Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-18 22:27 -0700
      Re: clock rate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 07:47 -0500
        Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-19 11:21 -0700
      Re: clock rate Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-20 16:10 +1000
        Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-20 01:34 -0700
  Re: clock rate Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-08-19 07:47 +0200
  Re: clock rate Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 10:16 -0700
    Re: clock rate xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-21 11:02 -0700

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