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Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe

From "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups alt.atheism
Subject Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe
Date 2016-06-01 10:07 +1000
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On 01/06/2016 02:06, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
> <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 30 May 2016 17:23:49 UTC+1, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher  wrote:
>>> Here's the evidence:
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html
>>>
>>> But that's something you don't hear everyday. They blame Russia for
>>> "expansion," while preparing for the crumbling of Russia or WWIII,
>>> whichever comes first.
>>>
>>> It reminds me of a story of a certain frog and a scorpion:
>>>
>>> http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html
>>>
>>
>> Of course, the problem is that the ex-Soviet block countries think exactly
>> that about Russia, and so really want NATO membership because they
>> assume, perhaps rightly, that Russia under the likes of Putin will turn its
>> mind to reclaiming its empire.
>>
>> And that NATO membership is about the only thing that might prevent that.
>
> When the former soviet republics got their independence, Russia and
> NATO agreed that they would not be part of NATO - but NATO reneged on
> this.
>
> The excuse was that it was negotiated with the soviets, not their
> successors.
>

And of course there are many ways to evade this commitment without 
breaking it.  Associate membership is not full membership, nor are 
individually negotiated defence agreements for specific issues (like 
early warning systems).

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America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 09:23 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 09:43 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 10:07 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-31 08:37 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-31 11:06 -0500
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-01 10:07 +1000
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 13:49 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:46 -0700
        Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 05:29 -0700
          Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-01 06:18 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 09:05 -0700
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:44 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-02 10:53 +1000
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:31 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 10:04 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 16:55 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 17:02 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 17:40 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:34 -0700
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 03:57 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 10:38 +1000
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> - 2016-06-02 15:30 +0000
              Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 03:43 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> - 2016-06-03 10:58 +0000
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 04:10 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> - 2016-06-03 12:20 +0000
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:23 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:49 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:24 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 06:27 -0700
                Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:57 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:16 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:42 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:51 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 17:53 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:39 -0700
  Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:41 -0700
    Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:43 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:58 -0700
        Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:30 -0700
      Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:25 -0700
        Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:31 -0700
          Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:50 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:59 -0700
          Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 16:49 -0700
            Re: America was sneaky in expanding NATO into Eastern Europe "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher" <thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 19:50 -0700

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