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On 16/05/2016 2:45 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:37:11 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 16/05/2016 1:31 AM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2016 5:17 AM, xxein1@att.net wrote:
>>>>> Can we have a discussion about the root physical cause of TD
>>>>> and LC? We all know the math, so skip that.  What is it about
>>>>> velocity that becomes a cause?  What about gravity as a
>>>>> cause?  How are they a cause?  Stick to principles of cause
>>>>> and effect or start your own thread for all else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw.  Just because 'we measure' doesn't answer the question
>>>>> of how it affects.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a mistake to think of this as cause and effect. Velocity
>>>> does not cause time dilation and length contraction. They are
>>>> simply manifestations of how different observers see the
>>>> universe.
>>>>
>>>> When I move along (even slowly), I observe the world moving the
>>>> other way. Yet it is not sensible to suggest that my motion has
>>>> had some strange effect on the world. I just observe the world
>>>> from a different perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Similar thoughts apply to gravity.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> xxein:  So according to you, it's no big deal and why should
>>> anyone care?
>>>
>>
>> No, that's not what I said. But you're looking for a cause when
>> nothing is being caused.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> xxein:  You know the clocks those twins have?  Whenever I see them
> side by side, they never have the same time.  Did I lose half my
> perspective?
>

So you never look at them side by side just as they set out on their 
journeys?

The travel by different routes. There's no reason to expect their clocks 
to say the same when they get back.

Sylvia.

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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 15:49 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-22 10:07 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:15 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-23 08:28 -0400
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:26 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:58 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 01:25 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:48 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:57 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:30 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:26 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:50 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-19 09:03 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:04 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 18:55 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-19 20:02 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:58 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-20 00:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 09:29 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-21 18:32 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:36 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-21 01:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:56 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:02 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:20 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 14:50 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:52 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:59 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:02 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-20 04:00 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:54 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 07:14 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 09:22 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 09:57 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:02 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:00 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 09:19 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:07 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 16:09 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-19 21:55 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 08:53 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:05 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:47 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:09 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:31 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-20 00:08 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 15:33 +1000
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-20 02:41 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 19:08 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:36 -0500
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