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Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction?

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction?
Date 2016-05-20 13:15 +1000
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On 19/05/2016 10:11 PM, jay moseley wrote:
> Sylvia..
>> What apparent contradictions?
>
> Why dont you answer his questions instead of asking more
> irrelevent questions.
> Heres one of his...
>
>>> Why did velocity cause their clocks to beat at different rates?

There are three possible scenarios:

A) The clocks run at the same rate, and relativity is wrong.

B) The clocks seem to run at different rates, as predicted by relativity.

C) The clocks seem to run at different rates, but in a way not predicted 
by relativity, and relativity is wrong.

Of these, A and C cannot be inferred from thought experiments. Actual 
experiments would have to be performed.

Which only leaves B.

Relativity describes the situation in terms of space-time and the twins 
take different routes through space-time.

xxein1 wants to take the predictions of relativity to construct a 
thought experiment, but then wants to deny the existence of space-time, 
and ask how relativity can explain the results without it. Going back to 
the scenario where the twins drive cars, it's analogous to denying the 
existence of different routes through space, and then demanding an 
explanation of the different trip-meter readings.

Essentially, he's seeking to assume that relativity is wrong, and then 
use that assumption to show that it's wrong. The circularity is obvious. 
If he wants to use the non-existence of space-time as part of his 
argument, then he has to demonstrate that non-existence somehow, not 
just assume it.

Sylvia.

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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 08:17 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 15:49 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-22 02:27 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:28 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-22 10:07 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:15 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-22 16:02 -0400
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-23 08:28 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:03 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:26 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:37 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:58 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-23 21:22 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 01:25 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:48 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:57 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:30 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:26 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:50 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 07:48 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-19 09:03 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 10:24 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 18:55 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-19 20:02 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:58 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-20 00:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 09:29 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-21 18:32 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-21 21:58 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:36 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-21 01:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:56 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:02 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:20 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:45 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 14:50 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:52 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:59 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:46 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:02 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-20 04:00 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:54 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 07:14 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-17 06:50 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 09:22 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-18 07:24 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 09:57 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-17 14:31 +0000
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-18 06:56 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:02 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:00 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 09:19 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-18 07:08 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:07 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? xxein1@att.net - 2016-05-18 13:43 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 16:09 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 14:36 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-19 21:55 +1000
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-19 05:11 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 08:53 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:05 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 16:15 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:47 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:09 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:31 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 20:16 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-20 00:08 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 15:33 +1000
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-20 02:41 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-20 00:16 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 19:08 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-22 13:20 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:36 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 08:51 -0500
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