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On 20/05/2016 5:16 PM, jay moseley wrote:
> Sylvia wrote...
>> Essentially, he's seeking to assume that relativity is wrong, and then use that
>> assumption to show that it's wrong. The circularity is obvious. If he wants to
>> use the non-existence of space-time as part of his argument,
>> then he has to demonstrate that non-existence somehow, not just assume it.
>
> Ill let xxein discuss that part with you. But your argument seems to
> suffer from circularity too. You seem to assume space time is
> a proven and that allows you to rule out any other possibilities.

No, I'm not assuming that, but this is about thought experiments. 
Thought experiments relating to relativity have to take space-time as 
read, or they're not thought experiments relating to relativity.

Conclusions from thought experiments set in a different theoretical 
context will not say anything about relativity.

> I think the church did that  centuries ago.
> Anyways you forgot another option. Resonance. Does relativity
> deny atoms are resonant systems? Does relativity deny that resonant
> systems are observed to change resonant frequency when subject
> to a directional force? ? Have relativists even attempted to
> to model the effects of resonance on atomic clocks?
>

Hardly relevant to this discussion.

Sylvia.

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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:15 -0700
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:03 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 09:26 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:37 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:58 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 01:25 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:48 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:57 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:26 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:50 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:04 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 18:55 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-19 20:02 -0400
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:58 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-20 00:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 09:29 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-21 18:32 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:36 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-21 01:32 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 10:56 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:20 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 14:50 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 12:52 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:59 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 19:02 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2016-05-20 04:00 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 11:54 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 07:14 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 09:22 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 09:57 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:02 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:00 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 10:07 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? xxein1@att.net - 2016-05-18 13:43 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 16:09 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 08:53 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:05 -0500
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:47 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:09 -0500
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:31 -0700
                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 20:16 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-20 00:08 -0400
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-05-20 19:08 +1000
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                Re: Does anyone really know the physical cause for time dilation and length contraction? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:36 -0500
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