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Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap.

From vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups alt.free.newsservers, alt.usenet.kooks, sci.physics
Subject Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap.
Date 2016-02-01 17:10 +0000
Message-ID <dh9hshFgdqjU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:03:55 -0800, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote:

> In article <n8jcn0$6q2$2@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01@gmail.invalid
> says...
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30/01/2016 10:43 AM, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Are you dense? WFT? The infrared atmospheric window lets infrared of
>> > certain wavelengths pass through the atmosphere *and* the clouds
>> 
>> No, only clear air. Clouds tend to reflect some IR, and absorb and
>> reemit more of it.
>> 
>> http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/cloudiness.htm
>> 
>> "The effects of cloud cover on temperature is a familiar experience.
>> Without a cloud cover in an area the temperature drops sharply at night
>> whereas with clouds the temperature drop is noticeably more moderate.
>> On the other hand in the daytime in the summer with no clouds the
>> temperature goes much higher than it does when there is a cloud cover."
>> 
>> Clouds by day cool. Clouds by night warm. And:
>> 
>> "The effect of clouds depends upon their type and the time of day. The
>> more interesting and important type is the low thick clouds. At night
>> the reflection effect is zero so the greenhouse effect and reflection
>> of thermal radiation dominate and the low thick clouds have a warming
>> effect."
>> 
>> Put more simply, you are wrong. Lunkhead.
>> 
>> Now answer me one question, kOok: which is colder, a clear winter night
>> or a cloudy winter night?
> 
> Who's winning?

Kensi is.

FNVHe's counterpoints are useful, though, because they show some of the 
best arguments against climate change.

(Note that I didn't say they were _good_ arguments, or even sound, just 
"the best" from the position he represents.)

I'm enjoying the discussion.  Wish I had something to add besides an 
observation we learned in astronomy lab:  on a clear night, you're 
basically staring up at 3 kelvin.  Not only does it get chilly at 
temperate latitudes, but it will cause condensation on your optics.

However, the colder the air, the better the seeing -- so those chilly, 
clear winter nights are nice for astronomy.

-- 
 -v

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More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-01-28 18:17 -0500
  Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_master.fake> - 2016-01-28 19:10 -0500
    Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-29 00:17 +0000
      Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-28 21:14 -0800
        Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-29 05:37 +0000
          Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-28 22:24 -0800
  Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-01-29 06:23 +0100
    Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-29 02:56 -0700
    Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-01-29 14:45 -0500
      Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-01-30 06:07 +0100
        Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-01-30 01:25 -0500
          Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-01-30 16:43 +0100
            Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-01-30 17:16 -0500
              Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_master.fake> - 2016-01-30 17:57 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-01-31 19:53 +0000
              Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-30 19:03 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-02-01 17:10 +0000
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-01 18:41 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-01 11:07 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-01 13:25 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-01 11:31 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-01 13:43 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-01 11:51 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-01 14:08 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-02 08:19 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-01 15:50 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-01 15:59 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-02 07:38 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 02:08 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-02 16:30 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-02 08:53 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe, DoW #2) - 2016-02-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2016-02-02 11:33 -0600
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-02 22:21 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 16:55 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-02 16:44 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-03 04:52 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-03 00:14 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-03 07:07 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-03 00:45 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-03 04:26 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-02 05:03 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> - 2016-02-02 04:11 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-03 23:17 -0800
              Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-01-31 05:26 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-30 22:15 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-01-31 00:37 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-30 22:42 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-01 17:00 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-01 15:54 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-01 16:03 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-01 14:09 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-02 07:28 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 02:09 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-02 17:32 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-02 12:56 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-03 23:14 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 16:59 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-02 16:45 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-03 05:10 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-02 23:24 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-03 00:17 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-02 21:49 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-03 06:51 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-03 00:44 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe, DoW #2) - 2016-02-03 07:19 +0000
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-03 00:41 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-03 00:47 -0800
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe, DoW #2) - 2016-02-03 08:57 +0000
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-03 04:26 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-03 02:38 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-03 18:33 +0100
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-03 11:18 -0700
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-03 04:26 -0500
                Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-03 23:12 -0800
  Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. Antonio Santana <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:52 -0500
    Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. MartinS <me@my.place.invalid> - 2016-01-29 11:49 -0500
    Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-29 17:41 -0800
      Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_master.fake> - 2016-01-29 20:56 -0500
        Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-29 19:56 -0800
          Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_master.fake> - 2016-01-30 17:58 -0500
            Re: More bad news for Greenland's ice cap. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-01-30 18:53 -0800

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