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| Subject | Re: I'd like to have unusing |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c++ |
| References | (7 earlier) <d66fa9ff-cbfb-4483-97a7-f734dbac8600@googlegroups.com> <moRMF.108547$MD2.99172@fx48.iad> <qu0sj5$p5b$1@dont-email.me> <zxTMF.36001$Cb2.6466@fx44.iad> <qu17bi$21b$1@dont-email.me> |
| From | Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> |
| Message-ID | <dRVMF.24122$1W2.16776@fx13.iad> (permalink) |
| Date | 2019-12-25 22:32 -0500 |
Alf P. Steinbach wrote: > On 26.12.2019 01:54, Pavel wrote: >> Alf P. Steinbach wrote: >>> On 25.12.2019 23:28, Pavel wrote: >>>> Öö Tiib wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 26 December 2019 00:06:27 UTC+2, Pavel wrote: >>>>>> Alf P. Steinbach wrote: >>>>>>> On 25.12.2019 22:37, Pavel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bonitas::_ is neither used by C++ implementation nor a name in the >>>>>>>> global namespace so it seems not compliant to either the 2011 >>>>>>>> Standard >>>>>>>> or n4830 on both fronts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And this does not make sense. >>>>>> How so? >>>>> >>>>> I also do not get your logic how it is not compliant. >>>>> It is not in global namespace nor contains double underscores >>>>> nor starts with underscore followed by capital letter and so >>>>> it is compliant. I don't like it ... but it is just matter of taste. >>>>> >>>> I see. My logic is this: from the below: >>>> >>>> 3 In addition, some identifiers are reserved for use by C++ >>>> implementations and shall not be used otherwise; no >>>> diagnostic is required. >>>> (3.1) — Each identifier that contains a double underscore __ or begins >>>> with an underscore followed by an >>>> uppercase letter is reserved to the implementation for any use. >>>> (3.2) — Each identifier that begins with an underscore is reserved to >>>> the implementation for use as a name in >>>> the global namespace. >>>> >>>> I make 2 conclusions: >>>> >>>> A. some identifiers (in particular those starting with _) shall not be >>>> used by otherwise than by C++ implementation >>> >>> The parenthetical remark does not follow from anything. >> except it follows from 3.2 cited right above >>> >>> >>>> B. If an identifier starting with _ not followed by an uppercase letter >>>> is used by C++ implementation, it should be used as a name in the >>>> global >>>> namespace. >>> >>> ... or namespace `std`. >> *that* is what does not seem to follow from anything. >>> >>> >>>> From that it follows that: >>>> >>>> - bonitas::_ is not allowed because of A. >>>> - if A. did not exist, it would be still not allowed because of the >>>> clause Alf referred to in his recollection of the Standard, namely: >>>> >>>> Identifiers starting with `_` are reserved in the global namespace. >>>> >>>> What I am missing? >>> >>> Rather, the question is where you get these ideas. >> Oh, the answer to this one is simple: boolean logic applied to A and B >> above. > > This reminds me strongly of the tortoise's denial arguments in > Hofstadter's "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid". > > I recommend that book. nice try. > > - Alf
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Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-12 13:51 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-12 05:47 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-12 17:58 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-12 09:40 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-13 09:23 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-12 17:58 +0100
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Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-12-25 13:19 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-25 20:09 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-12-25 16:37 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-25 22:56 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-12-25 17:06 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-25 14:14 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-12-25 17:28 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-26 00:49 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-12-25 19:54 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-12-26 03:53 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-12-25 22:32 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-26 03:01 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-26 03:20 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-12-27 11:24 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-27 09:22 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2020-01-02 23:47 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-01-02 23:46 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2020-01-04 23:46 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-01-04 18:43 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2020-01-04 23:55 -0500
Re: I'd like to have unusing Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-12 18:29 +0000
Re: I'd like to have unusing Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-12 18:34 +0000
Re: I'd like to have unusing Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-12 11:17 -0800
Re: I'd like to have unusing Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-12 19:40 +0100
Re: I'd like to have unusing Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-12 19:56 +0000
Re: I'd like to have unusing Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-13 06:35 +0100
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