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Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines

From "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines
Date 2015-10-25 17:49 +1100
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"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message 
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> On 23-Oct-15 16:16, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 10/23/2015 2:27 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> On 22-Oct-15 14:12, Dave Garland wrote:
>>>> Maybe, maybe not. Last year I took a 3000 mile (RT) trip by car.
>>>> I set up a spreadsheet and roughly calculated gas, tires,
>>>> maintenance, etc., figured that with my 10-year-old car the
>>>> expense would be around $400 if nothing broke.
>>>
>>> The IRS estimates ~50¢/mi for variable costs (gas, tolls, oil,
>>> tires, maintenance, etc.) plus allocated fixed costs (payments,
>>> insurance, etc.) for an average driver in an average car.  Your
>>> 7.5¢/mi may be correct in your particular case, but it's certainly
>>> atypical.
>>
>> I didn't count gas in the rental price, so it did cost maybe $180
>> more.
>>
>> But even with the gas, $430 is way less than the $1500 you'd get
>> from the IRS figures.

> I doubt you're including a portion of the fixed costs,
> which is the only way to create a level playing field.

There is no level playing field that matters in this
situation when deciding whether to use your own
car or rent one. What matters is the marginal cost
of using your own car.

> Also, most "fixed" costs are not actually fixed; for instance, while
> driving more wouldn't change my payments on this car, higher
> mileage would reduce the trade-in value of the car

Not by much unless you drive a hell of a lot.

> and thus increase the payments on my next car,

Only if you are silly enough to borrow the cost of your next car.

> so that cost should be factored in.

In practice it doesn’t change the cost of using your own car much.

>> I obviously don't understand the economics of the rental car
>> business, other than that most renters probably don't put 3000 miles
>> on the car before returning it, and that the rental company figures
>> it's better to have a car rented out rather than have it sit in the lot.

> Rental companies used to charge by the mile, but customers complained
> about being nickel-and-dimed, so they started including enough miles in
> the base rate that virtually nobody went over, and eventually they got
> rid of the cap entirely.  The same evolution was seen in mobile phone
> plans, Internet plans, etc.

There are still mobile phone plans where you pay for what you use.

> Consumers overwhelmingly prefer unlimited plans, even
> when a usage-based plan would result in a lower bill.

Irrelevant to what a minority choose to have instead.

>>> It varies quite a bit, but as a rule of thumb, figure $100/day or
>>> $300/wk (i.e. days 4-7 are free), including all the various taxes
>>> and fees but not gas or tolls.
>>
>> Maybe it's more expensive where you are, or you're more picky.
>> Around here I can rent a car today (economy or compact) for $150/week
>> incl. all tax & fees (booking up to a week ahead, $30 less if I pay
>> in advance; booking further in advance increases the price) from the
>> first vendor I checked (Payless, which has a booth at the airport
>> but the cars are a shuttle bus ride away).
>
> That's what I typically pay, but I'll grant that most of my rentals are
> from a top-tier company under a corporate contract; I'm not allowed to
> use coupons or shop around.  OTOH, be sure that includes all taxes and
> fees; stadium taxes in particular can significantly inflate the cost of
> rental cars (and hotels).
>
>>> If you don't own a car or your personal insurance doesn't provide
>>> sufficient coverage--and many people don't check until it's too
>>> late, figure an additional $100/day or $700/wk (i.e. no free
>>> days).
>>
>> I don't know how it works in other states, but my car insurance
>> covers me when driving a rental. (I'm not sure that it would cover
>> theft, though.)
>
> I suggest checking your coverage before relying on that.  My state only
> requires covering policyholders (but not "additional drivers") in rental
> cars at the same level(s) as their own cars.  That means if you have
> collision/theft coverage on a $5k car, it will only pay out $5k when you
> wreck/lose a $25k rental, and you're still on the hook for the remaining
> $20k.  Many people drop collision/theft coverage entirely after their
> car is paid off and would be on the hook for the entire $25k.

Many don’t borrow when buying a car.

>> For this hypothetical rental, CDW would cost $20/day, again way
>> less than what you're seeing.
>
> The cost will vary depending on exactly what you need; for instance,
> someone who doesn't own a car probably also needs LDW, which is much
> more expensive, and there are a half-dozen other options that can
> further increase the cost.  $100/day is a reasonable estimate if one
> doesn't have all the specifics.

But you do have the specifics when deciding whether to
use your own car or rent one.,

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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-28 07:07 +1100
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-24 16:01 +1100
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-23 14:27 -0500
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-23 20:05 -0700
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-25 00:53 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-25 17:49 +1100
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-23 19:55 -0700
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-24 07:16 -0400
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-24 20:18 -0700
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-24 23:55 -0500
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