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Re: Those LYING scientists

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Date 2018-03-11 12:56 -0700
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Subject Re: Those LYING scientists
From Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com>

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On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 10:27:47 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:43:29 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:25:30 AM UTC-6, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 8:16:05 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:18:04 PM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > People on this forum argue that time ticks at the same rate
> > > > > everywhere, and when a news article says otherwise, they CLAIM
> > > > > it is just some scientist VULGARIZING or DUMBING DOWN the
> > > > > science for stupid lay people.
> > > >
> > > > No. What we are saying is a very simple thing: given the fact that
> > > > it takes many years of study to understand the relevant physics,
> > > > all popularisations must necessarily rely on a form of metaphoric
> > > > speech.
> > > 
> > > Ed points out fact, but Einstein dingleberries throw nonsense.  Einstein dingleberries behave like monkeys throwing their own excrement at anything they think would threaten their beliefs in their lies.  <shrug>
> > > 
> > > > There is nothing exotic or unusual about that, it's all very
> > > > pedestrian.
> > > 
> > > Pedestrian?  Some fvcking how the fruitcake manages to equate rightfully what Ed is pointing out with pedestrian.  <shaking head>  Einstein dingleberries are just fvcking idiots.  Oh, the fruitcake’s excuse is that English is not its first language.  What are the excuses of the others?  Whole bunch of fvcking idiots!  <shrug>
> > 
> > You make the same mistake Pentcho Valev makes, Koobee.  The people who do experiments which show that time ticks at different rates at different altitudes are in AGREEMENT with Einstein.  They are confirming what Einstein wrote.
> 
> Clock time ticks at different rates but all the processes of nature do no operate of clock time--they operate of absolute time. However there is no clock time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of absolute time in different frame and that’s why we invented the LT to predict the tick rate of a moving  clock.

Not true.  Einstein's First Postulate says that the laws of physics are the same INSIDE all inertial frames of reference.  That means that clocks APPEAR to tick at the same rate INSIDE all inertial frames of reference. HOWEVER, when the ticking of a clock in one frame of reference is COMPARED to the ticking of a clock in a DIFFERENT frame of reference, one clock will probably be ticking at a slightly different rate than the other clock.  "Absolute time" is the theoretical FASTEST time (or rate) that a clock can tick.  The speed of all clocks in the universe can then be compared by how SLOW they tick compared to the FASTEST rate. 

Ed

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        Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 08:56 -0800
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            Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 09:38 -0800
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 11:51 -0700
                Re: Those LYING scientists Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-11 19:12 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-12 02:27 +0100
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