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Re: New hard drive

From "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: New hard drive
Date 2015-09-12 05:18 +1000
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"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:d5gb2cFg972U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Scott Lurndal" wrote:
>
>> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:
>>>"philo" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I installed a 4Tb hard drive in a friend's machine...
>>>> it went well and was a "no big deal" operation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems like only yesterday...with trembling hands...I replaced the 850 
>>>> meg
>>>> drive in my P-1 with a 2 Gb drive. I was sure nervous when I did it and
>>>> when I got it installed and checked the drive's capacity, I felt like I
>>>> was in a huge empty canyon.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any idea at all as to what the raw error rate is on a
>>>current 4 TB drive?  That is before ECC and whatever other magic is 
>>>applied
>>>to it. ISTM the signal must be meaured in nanovolts.
>>>
>>
>> # smartctl --all /dev/sdc
>> smartctl 6.2 2014-07-16 r3952 [x86_64-linux-3.19.8-100.fc20.x86_64] 
>> (local build)
>> Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, 
>> www.smartmontools.org
>>
>> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>> Model Family:     Seagate Desktop HDD.15
>> Device Model:     ST4000DM000-1F2168
>> Serial Number:    S300HH9N
>> LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 06dd7aa97
>> Firmware Version: CC54
>> User Capacity:    4,000,787,030,016 bytes [4.00 TB]
>> Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
>> Rotation Rate:    5900 rpm
>> Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 3b
>> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
>> Local Time is:    Fri Sep 11 07:56:38 2015 PDT
>> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
>> SMART support is: Enabled
>>
>> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
>> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
>>
>> General SMART Values:
>> Offline data collection status:  (0x00) Offline data collection activity
>>                                        was never started.
>>                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: 
>> Disabled.
>> Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine 
>> completed
>>                                        without error or no self-test has 
>> ever
>>                                        been run.
>> Total time to complete Offline
>> data collection:                (  107) seconds.
>> Offline data collection
>> capabilities:                    (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate.
>>                                        Auto Offline data collection 
>> on/off support.
>>                                        Suspend Offline collection upon 
>> new
>>                                        command.
>>                                        No Offline surface scan supported.
>>                                        Self-test supported.
>>                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
>>                                        Selective Self-test supported.
>> SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
>>                                        power-saving mode.
>>                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
>> Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
>>                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
>> Short self-test routine
>> recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
>> Extended self-test routine
>> recommended polling time:        ( 507) minutes.
>> Conveyance self-test routine
>> recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
>> SCT capabilities:              (0x1085) SCT Status supported.
>>
>> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
>> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
>> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED 
>> WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>>  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   108   099   006    Pre-fail s       - 
>> 19125192
>>  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   092   092   000    Pre-fail s       - 
>> 0
>>  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age ys       - 
>> 24
>>  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail s       - 
>> 0
>>  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   063   060   030    Pre-fail s       - 
>> 1897873
>>  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   090   090   000    Old_age ys       - 
>> 9478
>> 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail s       - 
>> 0
>> 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age ys       - 
>> 24
>> 183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age 
>>    -       1
>> 184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0 0 0
>> 189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   069   056   045    Old_age 
>>    -       31 (Min/Max 22/44)
>> 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   077   077   000    Old_age 
>>    -       47740
>> 194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   031   044   000    Old_age 
>>    -       31 (0 19 0 0 0)
>> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age 
>>      -       0
>> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age 
>>    -       0
>> 240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age 
>>      -       5250h+48m+45.560s
>> 241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age 
>>      -       2814136976
>> 242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age 
>>      -       3700421168
>>
>> SMART Error Log Version: 1
>> No Errors Logged
>>
>> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
>> No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
>>
>>
>> SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
>> SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
>>    1        0        0  Not_testing
>>    2        0        0  Not_testing
>>    3        0        0  Not_testing
>>    4        0        0  Not_testing
>>    5        0        0  Not_testing
>> Selective self-test flags (0x0):
>>  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
>> If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute 
>> delay.
>
> Thanks a lot!  As I understand it there were 19e6 errors in 5250 hours of 
> use,

No it does not.

> so an error rate of 3.6e3 per hour or about one error per second.  Does 
> that seem like I have done something terribly wrong?

Yes, Seagate drives handle that field quite differently.

That field is encoded, it isn't a count of the number of
data errors what have been handled by the CRC system
since the drive started to be used. 

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