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Re: This morning's crap idea.

From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written
Subject Re: This morning's crap idea.
Date 2015-08-20 14:26 +0000
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References <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me> <20150819b@crcomp.net> <ntDvI5.168s@kithrup.com> <mr4m4l$m62$1@dont-email.me>

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In article <mr4m4l$m62$1@dont-email.me>,
William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <20150819b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <mr2f0d$f46$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> William Vetter  <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>>>>>>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's something like it, a story by Harry Turtledove, let me
>>>>>> look up the title.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The title is "Hindsight," and it's collected in _Kaleidoscope_.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, see, I wake up with an idea that I think is so crappy, I might as
>>>>> well post it on usenet; and then you're telling me some guy got a
>>>>> publication out of it.  Make my day, why don't cha.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, you weren't very far off.  It's merely that the writer was
>>>> not lousy, and, face it, in the Golden Age really lousy writing
>>>> would probably not get bought either.
>>>> 
>>>> At one point the 1950s writer says, "It's an old theme, go back
>>>> in time and make a fortune..." and the time-traveler says, "A
>>>> fortune?  At three cents a word?"
>>>> 
>>>> The nice thing about "Hindsight" is that Turtledove remembers
>>>> 1950s California in detail, as I do, and put a lot of little
>>>> details in and got them right.
>>> 
>>> Thank you sharing Dorothy.
>>> 
>>> "Hindsight" also appears under the pseudonym Eric G Iverson in Analog
>>> Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984. "Hindsight" reminds me
>>> of "Bob Dylan, Troy Jonson, and the Speed Queen" by F Paul Wilson.
>>> 
>>> The travelers in both stories take rock music records and turntables
>>> back with them in time. And both travelers plagiarize future works.
>>> "Hindsight" has literature stolen while "Bob Dylan" has music stolen.
>>> 
>>> The motives of the travelers also differ. "Hindsight" wants to save the
>>> world, while "Bob Dylan" wants to be a rock star. Here's some dialog
>>> from "Hindsight" for the lulz.
>>>        A couple of people were already waiting by the post
>>>    office boxes, and several more came in after Pete and
>>>    McGregor. "They can't *all* be writers," Pete whispered
>>>    behind his hand.
>>>        The editor rolled his eyes. "You'd be amazed."
>>> 
>>
>> Heh.  I can believe it.
>>
>> Not *selling* writers, but *attempting* writers.
>
>I think that editors like to buy this sort of thing, that talks about 
>their lives, but I'm not sure readers want to see it particularly.  A 
>lot of stuff like this appears in small press magazines...the editor 
>suffers under a curse that forces her to read all the slush, things 
>like that.

FWIF, I think the story was in a "Kelvin Throop" issue of Analog.
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This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:57 -0400
  Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:04 -0700
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    Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:16 +0000
  Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:11 +0000
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        Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 04:35 +0000
          Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 13:44 +0000
            Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0400
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