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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? |
| Date | 2015-07-31 07:28 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1vj86F7l8tU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >>>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>>>> Kees Nuyt wrote >>>>>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>>>>>> It is true in the sense that many providers here in Germany >>>>>>> actually have a paragraph stating that VOIP is not supported. >>>>>> "Not supported" does not mean "forbidden". >>>>> Nope, they mean it in the sense of 'forbidden'. >>>> BULLSHIT. Skype works fine. >>> Did I say anything different? >> Everyone can see that you did, fuckwit. >>> *You* don't understand the difference between something being being >>> forbidden by the terms of the service >> Skype isn't. > And you know the German terms of service from our mobile providers where > from? I got real radical and used the net, fuckwit. >>> (which is only a legal matter), >> Wrong, as always. > You don't have a clue, as always. Terms of service ain't a legal matter, fuckwit. >>> and blocking something so that a customer can't use it >> Skype ain't either. > I never said Skype is blocked. I never said you did. >>> (which is a technical matter). >> Wrong, as always. > Blocking Skype is no technical matter? You just said that skype ain't blocked, fuckwit. >>> As I already stated days ago, a number of German providers have (had?) >>> terms that forbid the usage of VoIP connections on their mobile networks >> BULLSHIT. > As if you had any clue about the situation here in Germany. You're free to cite kraut providers doing that. >>> - but I have to see a provider actually enforcing this regulation by >>> blocking such services (like Skype). >> Because they aren't allowed to forbid VOIP, fuckwit. > Show me the German(!) law forbidding them such a term. Go and fuck yourself, again. >>>>>> They just want to warn you that their helpdesk will not help you >>>>>> solve any problems with VOIP. You are on your own - but of course >>>>>> there are webfora and possibly newsgroups with enthousiasts that will >>>>>> try to help people with VOIP setup questions. >>>>> That is yet another point, but not the one they want to address with >>>>> that paragraph. >>>> Wrong on that last. VOIP is not forbidden. Skype works fine. > Two different things, Wrong, as always. <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your predicament that any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs> >>> Read up about the difference between 'forbidden' and 'blocked'. >> Don’t need to. <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your predicament that any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs> >>>>>>> However, as of now I have not really heard that they actually >>>>>>> enforce this - which in turn shows that this is not really >>>>>>> used all that much as of now. Might change, though... >>>>>> Low-cost VOIP is quite common in Europe for the tech savvy crowd. >>>>> Which is still a (comparably small) subset of the overall crowd... ;-) >>>> Bullshit with Skype alone. >>> You've got no idea about the usage of Skype in Germany. >> Wrong, as always. > Here we go again... Just how many of you are there between those ears, kraut ? >>> And I'm not talking about the number of customers, but the number of >>> minutes actually used - just to be precise. >> You don’t either, no one does. <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your predicament that any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs> >>>>>> The average consumer will only use VOIP if their ISP includes and >>>>>> supports it in the package - usually triple play: Internet / Phone / >>>>>> TV, either over phone or cable-TV infrastructure. They don't know >>>>>> it's VOIP though ;) >> >>>>> Here in Germany all landline providers (mostly it's the former >>>>> monopolist T-Com, but as well cable companies, Vodafone, and a few >>>>> local ones) either always sold VoIP telephone lines, or currently in >>>>> the process of converting all their landlines to VoIP (to be >>>>> concluded by 2018). >> >>>> Separate matter entirely to what is being discussed. >> >>> As if you cared... >> >> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. > > Here we go again. Record's stuck, kraut. >>>>> However, this is done in a way that the usual consumer won't see much >>>>> of a difference (except for perhaps slightly worse service grades). >>>> It can be significantly better. >>> Yepp, it can be. Unfortunately, as of now the service grade is not, it's >>> worse. >> Wrong, as always. > You're living literally on the other side of the earth, but claim to know > about the service quality here in Germany? You krauts don’t fuck things like that, fuckwit. >>> I'm on such a service and I (and many colleagues) see much more outages >>> than we ever had using POTS. >> That isn't with the landlines converted to VOIP internally. > You obviously have not the slightest clue what I'm talking about. You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. >>> And since we (most of us at least) are still using classical phones >>> (and not IP phones), the advantages like better voice transmission >>> (due to higher bandwidth) don't really show up. >> Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage. <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your predicament that any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
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